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Post by crashdive123 on Oct 25, 2017 3:32:52 GMT -7
I carry daily.....all day. The 380 was purchased because of an event I was going to where I had to dress up a bit. Didn't want to use a shoulder rig in case it was warm inside. I don't care for IWB rigs. The ankle rigs I have do not do well with the 45 or the 40 that I typically carry.
I train a lot. Regardless of what I am carrying it would not likely end well for a would be attacker.
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Oct 25, 2017 5:26:49 GMT -7
Post by marc on Oct 25, 2017 5:26:49 GMT -7
As you said, Crash - the whole point of the .380 is for when a person just can't carry anything but an ultra thin, ultra compact. Woody pointed out that most people don't always carry.
I am a .357/.44 mag guy, so I do like penetration. The new generation of .380 ammo is not what I remembered from many years ago. After shooting a variety of building materials, penetration and damage up close, just isn't a question in my mind anymore.
While I do shoot often, I admit that I do not train enough.
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Oct 25, 2017 6:20:57 GMT -7
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Post by thywar on Oct 25, 2017 6:20:57 GMT -7
Woody makes some good points but typically most people will be slow to pull and especially shoot. Tie that in with minimal training and it's a disaster. Having said that I dont want anyone shooting at me with any caliber but if they are I'm hoping they feel the same way whether it's a .22, .380 or .454 casull. A .380 beats a rock everyday. Hop that Ammo a little and it'll do the job.
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Oct 25, 2017 9:36:58 GMT -7
Post by marc on Oct 25, 2017 9:36:58 GMT -7
I do agree with Woody's point. Obvious and open attacks are one thing, but all too often, there is no perception of deadly threat until it is upon you. In fact, I would be the guy who stopped to think about it too long.......
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Oct 25, 2017 11:32:10 GMT -7
Post by woodyz on Oct 25, 2017 11:32:10 GMT -7
I did get a little carried away didn't I.
Stats say 75% of the people who carry will "think about it" before reacting and 50% will not shoot at all or shoot to miss, hoping to scare off the problem with out actually needing to shoot someone.
They carry because they recognize the need but the human instinct against harming another human is very hard to over come.
During WW II 3/4 of the troops either did not shoot or shot high on purpose, during the Vietnam conflict it was still 50% after extensive study and changes to training.
But in all cases there were still a group of people who developed a mindset allowing them to shoot and shoot to kill.
Exercises like talking about it on this forum allow the mind to form and opinion and a determination to shoot/survive. Just buying and carrying a gun they shoot a couple of times a year will not result in enough mindset for most people.
It is one of the problems I have with the mindset of "don't pull it unless you are going to shoot it". Most of the time if you wait until you need to shoot to pull you are too late.
When I drive my weapon is in my lap on top of the seat belt or under the edge of my right leg. If I feel/recognize a possible threat, I pull and hold my weapon at or behind my leg. I have sit and eaten in a restaurant with my weapon in my lap when the vibe of the room was off.
I don't make threatening jesters or brandish my weapon, but I do make it ready as soon as I feel uncomfortable. I trust my instincts. I knew but have no proof robberies have not been committed because the would be robber didn't like my position on their blindside before they committed any act.
What do I feel? Is it training or experience? Some of both I guess, but I have always had some kind of internal alarm that I don't initiate consciously. Things seem to slow down, focus becomes clearer and brighter, hearing increases. Most of the time when those things happen I am not aware of a threat yet. But I take my safety off and I pull and/or position my weapon to a ready to fire state.
The only way I know how to explain it is unconscious situation awareness. I make my weapon ready then I access the situation to determine the cause.
For example:
I am sitting in a restaurant facing the entrance and at least most of the occupants. My Wife is so conditioned she automatically sets with her back to the people so I can face her and them. First I look for another exit, then I look at everyone in the room and make a determination of any possible threats or tells from any of them. I might identify a couple of possibles who I will keep an eye on. Then I look at every/any new additions to the room as they come in.
If I get a feeling about anything my weapon goes on to my lap under my napkin where I can access it quickly and adjust it if needed and it looks like I am using my napkin, unless you watch close and see that I always get another napkin that stays on the table and gets used.
Anyway I obviously do a lot of overkill from normal, and not many are going to do the same or even need to, but I thought I would share a few of my thoughts.
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Oct 25, 2017 11:57:14 GMT -7
Post by woodyz on Oct 25, 2017 11:57:14 GMT -7
I thought I should clarify a couple of things:
90% of the population are not bad guys. If you don't count the thieves, con artists, etc., in other words, the non-violent bad guys, less then 5% of the population might shoot a good guy if they had to, but less than 1% will shoot you because they want to.
On the same track 90% of the population are sheep, even most hunters are sheep when it comes to doing harm to another human being. So only 10% of the population would shoot if they had to and less then 1% of 1% will shoot before they have to. I guess I mean shoot before the shooting situation develops to a have to. Even the police. When I was a LEO as a civilian, 99% of my fellow LEO's never took their weapon out of their holster except once a year when they had to qualify with it and they were terrible shots. Some of the dirties weapons I have ever seen where LEO guns. The stats would be much better today but there are some current LEO's who will not shoot first.
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Oct 25, 2017 12:28:38 GMT -7
Post by woodyz on Oct 25, 2017 12:28:38 GMT -7
First thing I do with a gun new to me is take it apart. First because I want to know how and second to clean it. Even if it is brand new.
Then I just a rotary tool with a buffing wheel and some very very fine polishing paste and I polish the feed ramp and the sear parts, if it has any, and a few other select areas and put it back together.
Then I take it to the back yard and a shoot it at least mag capacity x 3 times. Aiming at the same place every time, regardless where the rounds are hitting.
Then I take it apart again. This time I am looking to see where rub/wear points and powder residue are.
I am going to polish the wear points and evaluate any powder residue found where I would not expect to see it.
I am going to look at the ejected shells for ejector marks, rub marks and where the firing pin or striker hit the primer.
The spring kit will have those if I don't like what I see and I will polish the back side of the barrel if its rubbing the shells.
Then, depending on what I find inside, and how it shot, I order a spring set, most of the time, with heavier/tighter springs. Some times a replacement threaded barrel sometimes a replacement firing pin.
Sometimes I keep the new spring set/parts as spare sometimes the old parts as spares, even revolvers have springs.
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Post by crashdive123 on Oct 25, 2017 13:42:21 GMT -7
A few weeks ago a home alarm was going off. I had a key. The homeowner's Dad (a retired cop) and I showed up at the same time. He was armed...I was armed. I cleared the house while he stayed inside the front door to keep others from entering.. When I was done he looked at me and said...."you've done this before haven't you?" Yep.
Turned out the alarm was set off by a piece of clothing he hung out to dry. When the AC kicked on it moved the clothing enough to set of a motion sensor.
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Post by woodyz on Oct 25, 2017 14:17:25 GMT -7
I our workshop area electric cords were being cut, small things were disappearing, things were moved, hundreds of feet of speaker and phone wires disappeared.
Recent disagreements with an ex and neighbors sparked visions of vandalism and malicious mischief. Alarms were set, still happening. Cameras were installed and watched for hours, yet it continued.
Then one day while in the work shop my Son watched as a re-ran speaker wire was being pulled into a wall. Tore the top of the wall off and found all the missing stuff in a nest of squirrels, the young just old enough to climb out grab something and go back in.
War was declared on every squirrel who gets within 100 yards of the house
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Post by marc on Oct 26, 2017 18:56:00 GMT -7
I our workshop area electric cords were being cut, small things were disappearing, things were moved, hundreds of feet of speaker and phone wires disappeared. Recent disagreements with an ex and neighbors sparked visions of vandalism and malicious mischief. Alarms were set, still happening. Cameras were installed and watched for hours, yet it continued. Then one day while in the work shop my Son watched as a re-ran speaker wire was being pulled into a wall. Tore the top of the wall off and found all the missing stuff in a nest of squirrels, the young just old enough to climb out grab something and go back in. War was declared on every squirrel who gets within 100 yards of the house That's funny! For me, it was always raccoons that turned out to be responsible for missing stuff. I once caught one trying to drag a 5 gallon bucket of dry dog food through a swinging "dog door" that wasn't nearly wide enough. I sat there silently laughing at his perseverance for awhile, then went out another door and sneaked up on him. Regardless of what folks say, they can really scoot when motivated!
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Nov 14, 2017 17:20:50 GMT -7
Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 17:20:50 GMT -7
Have a Ubertili (sp.) Regulator in 45 colt 51/2 BBL love it.
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Post by woodyz on Nov 14, 2017 19:14:52 GMT -7
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