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Post by woodyz on Aug 28, 2020 13:55:08 GMT -7
So I went out to the mailbox around 3PM, that't when it comes around here and heard a noise I didn't understand.
At first I thought it was a nail gun being used at my neighbors which is about 150 yards as the crow flies and he is always building something.
But the cadence was off, no one uses a nail gun with that frequency.
Then I recognized it as a machine gun, but silenced, he shoots an auto-gun of some kind often, he has a range like I do in his backyard.
But he doesn't shoot suppressed very often and I have never known him to shoot a machine gun suppressed, but that is what it was, no doubt about it.
Sign of the times I guess.
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Post by Ceorlmann on Sept 5, 2020 10:27:02 GMT -7
Suppressed autos have been in the market for awhile, but are usually out of the financial reach of your average Joe. Of course, he could've made his own silencer and trigger setup to make it act like a suppressed full auto assuming he's that crafty, or knows someone like that.
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Post by marc on Sept 5, 2020 17:48:47 GMT -7
Building a suppressor from a regular automotive oil filter and modifying an AR trigger group with a file and a soldering iron for full-auto are both super simple to do for just a few bucks and about an hour of time. We have a lot of full-auto/suppressed guns here that are legal. Silencers are GREAT. Full-auto, um no - I have no use for that function.
I do not suggest playing unless you pay the tax and get the stamp. Short barrel rifles are extremely useful but also require a tax stamp. All of these restrictions can land you in jail without an investigation or proof. Ask Randy Weaver.
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Post by woodyz on Sept 5, 2020 19:35:31 GMT -7
He has the stamp and has paid the tax on more than one gun.
I am not a fan of full auto, never have been, if, and its a big if, I need more than one shot, I have used a three shot burst, but not very often. I am not a fan of just wasting ammo.
It was just what I heard and hear from his place a lot, it was the suppressed that had me listening.
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Post by sirderrin on Sept 6, 2020 12:01:39 GMT -7
Might just be a Binary trigger set. Allows for firing on pulling and releasing the trigger - 2 shots per a single trigger cycle- going and coming...
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Post by marc on Sept 7, 2020 6:23:05 GMT -7
I tried and AR with the binary trigger from Franklin. Muzzle rise might be more controllable with a lot of practice, but it was a real problem for me. I found that I could get 2 rounds actually on target faster, the old way. With a conventional trigger, it does take a second to reacquire the target, but the round will land where I want it. I'm just not a fan of "spray and pray" shooting, although with enough ammo you will eventually hit everything in sight.
Is it fun? Oh heck yes! It is oddly satisfying to do a 40 round mag dump in 5-6 seconds. It also gets everyone's attention, triggers questions about legality from authorities - and produces a very hot barrel.
The primary value that I see is laying down suppressive fire for effect. That or indiscriminate shooting into an up close and personal target-rich environment where you know you are going hit something without needing a lot accuracy. I suspect that binary triggers will go the way of bump-stocks because in the right hands they can meet or exceed the firing rate of full auto.
Marc
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Post by woodyz on Sept 7, 2020 11:14:22 GMT -7
3 shot bursts I was referring to were a selection on the m16's in the USMC back 50 years or so ago. I don't remember shooting any recently. I have shot an AR on auto that someone brought over to use our range, but don't like auto and prefer the AK over the AR, though can't say just why, If I was shooting past 300 yards I would want the AR, but if I knew I was shooting +300 yards I would pick a 308.
Can "bump shoot" my AK, but not accurate and again I don't like multi shooting, but if my targets were rich and close the "bump shooting" -30 rounds was an advantage, I might, can't get my AR to "bump shoot"
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Post by sirderrin on Sept 7, 2020 16:11:28 GMT -7
I tried and AR with the binary trigger from Franklin. Muzzle rise might be more controllable with a lot of practice, but it was a real problem for me. I found that I could get 2 rounds actually on target faster, the old way. With a conventional trigger, it does take a second to reacquire the target, but the round will land where I want it. I'm just not a fan of "spray and pray" shooting, although with enough ammo you will eventually hit everything in sight. Is it fun? Oh heck yes! It is oddly satisfying to do a 40 round mag dump in 5-6 seconds. It also gets everyone's attention, triggers questions about legality from authorities - and produces a very hot barrel. The primary value that I see is laying down suppressive fire for effect. That or indiscriminate shooting into an up close and personal target-rich environment where you know you are going hit something without needing a lot accuracy. I suspect that binary triggers will go the way of bump-stocks because in the right hands they can meet or exceed the firing rate of full auto. Marc I am not a fan either.... It is completely legal but I have no desire... I prefer to take that extra 1/2 second or so and reacquire the target also! |
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Post by marc on Sept 7, 2020 16:18:39 GMT -7
woodyz, I do agree. Select Fire is still a three-round burst as far as I know.
AR10s are the answer for those of us who like .308/7.62x51. This is why I did not adopt, an AK. Need more energy and range? Go 30 caliber. BUT, I am seriously considering a 6.5 Creedmoor after shooting one out to 1,000 yards. As far as I know, the 6.5 CM has the highest ballistic coefficient out there. I am still a fan of 7 Mag and 300 Win Mag, but the 6.4 CM has its own attraction!
Marc
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Post by sirderrin on Sept 7, 2020 18:51:49 GMT -7
I seldom shoot past a 100 yards when I am seriously meat hunting because usually I am closer then that! I have scoped a number of AKs for friends and not a fan at all... Sloppy built weapons... Only way to mount a scope is side mount for that reason ...
I have a 7 mag... awesome gun/caliber. I seldom shoot it anymore... but it brings home the meat if I need a little more range.
6.5 Creedmore is on the semi short list for the same reason you stated marc.... I like the flat shooting fast stuff.
Got a .17 HMR with a vortex 4x12 on top and it is deadly at 200 yards on turtles. 300 yards is stretching but can still hit em most the time.. Fun fun fun gun to shoot - (17 A)savage accu-trigger(same as 7 mag)....
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Post by marc on Sept 9, 2020 5:02:21 GMT -7
I seldom shoot past a 100 yards when I am seriously meat hunting because usually I am closer then that! I have scoped a number of AKs for friends and not a fan at all... Sloppy built weapons... Only way to mount a scope is side mount for that reason ... I have a 7 mag... awesome gun/caliber. I seldom shoot it anymore... but it brings home the meat if I need a little more range. 6.5 Creedmore is on the semi short list for the same reason you stated marc.... I like the flat shooting fast stuff. Got a .17 HMR with a vortex 4x12 on top and it is deadly at 200 yards on turtles. 300 yards is stretching but can still hit em most the time.. Fun fun fun gun to shoot - (17 A)savage accu-trigger(same as 7 mag)....
Always thought that the .17 HMR would be a fun round, but I have never shot one! Any problem with water ricochet? I have done some turtle plinking with a .223, but we were shooting down into a pond from up high - very steep angle.
Everyone is different, but my ethical limit on a warm blooded animal is about 125-150 yards. I really enjoy the challenge of pushing my limits in target shooting out to 600-800, but animals are not steel or paper. Even feral hogs get a pass from me at longer ranges because I want a clean kill. As I age, I find myself losing the desire to kill stuff unless I need to.
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Post by sirderrin on Sept 9, 2020 14:27:38 GMT -7
I have not seen any ricochets so far with the .17 HMR. I think it is such a small caliber zipping along at around 2650 FPS it disintegrates if it hits the water.... I only use:
I can say for certain small critters have no chance... I have shot small (~50lb) hogs with no issues with it as well... Muskrats has no chance ... Turtles tend to vanish if they are much smaller then hand size.... It is my varmint gun for certain these days...
Yes, all these critters are being cleaned out of various friends ponds at their request... Turtle (red eared sliders mainly) eat lots of fish... Muskrats are destroyers of damns...
A .22 is great for water ricochets if you are into that kinda thing!
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Post by marc on Sept 9, 2020 16:11:20 GMT -7
Good point! I see my Polymer tipped 40-45gr .223 varmint rounds disintegrate on any surface they hit, I just didn't think about water being the same. I am sensitive to water ricochet because I have seen some scary things.
Varmint/pest control is a necessary function and no qualms about culling as needed!
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Post by sirderrin on Sept 9, 2020 18:29:53 GMT -7
Another one on my semi short list....224 valkerie
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Post by marc on Sept 10, 2020 15:09:44 GMT -7
Right now, my shortlist involves topping off more stuff that I want to lay in before the Dems drop their "October Surprise." I simply cannot see them just going away peacefully and much of America has about had it with uncontrolled violence.)
I have no concerns about "civil unrest" in my location, but we all know that supply chain links break far too easily. For the last three months, when I use something, I buy two more.
Marc
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