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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 10:16:04 GMT -7
Dog hunters and hi traffic areas are your friends  One of my favorite ways to hunt is on Camp Shelby during Dog season and gun only. There are a good number of people who hunt these woods but as with most modern hunter, if they have to leave site of the truck and walk they go on to the next easy access spot. I like to find an area right in the middle of this with a good 30 min hike into the thick stuff i.e Creek bed or swamp (really like swampy areas) and set up my Ole'Man. All that traffic drives the deer into the interior to avoid the lazy hunters and acess good bedding areas. By using this method I keep the freezer filled AND get to see a managiere of animals all thru the day. That in itself is joyous for me and I dont always shoot either , By having lots of game all around you you learn a few things to....how they move, are they nervous, do they vocalize normally or are they silent ,,,, what they are feeding on the most. Little things but usefull and fun. Watch a redtail take a squirrel, a sow scold her young, watch a cyote stalk a turkey. or an otter play along the creek bank....I see this kinda stuff regularly because I walk a little bit and let the pressure from others drive the critters deeper in to were Im a waitng:) Try it...you wont be dissapointed Just be sure your state allows dog hunting!! In Missouri it is illegal to hunt deer with dogs!! |
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Post by mountainmark on Sept 4, 2012 14:57:39 GMT -7
Dog hunters and hi traffic areas are your friends One of my favorite ways to hunt is on Camp Shelby during Dog season and gun only. There are a good number of people who hunt these woods but as with most modern hunter, if they have to leave site of the truck and walk they go on to the next easy access spot. I like to find an area right in the middle of this with a good 30 min hike into the thick stuff i.e Creek bed or swamp (really like swampy areas) and set up my Ole'Man. All that traffic drives the deer into the interior to avoid the lazy hunters and acess good bedding areas. By using this method I keep the freezer filled AND get to see a managiere of animals all thru the day. That in itself is joyous for me and I dont always shoot either , By having lots of game all around you you learn a few things to....how they move, are they nervous, do they vocalize normally or are they silent ,,,, what they are feeding on the most. Little things but usefull and fun. Watch a redtail take a squirrel, a sow scold her young, watch a cyote stalk a turkey. or an otter play along the creek bank....I see this kinda stuff regularly because I walk a little bit and let the pressure from others drive the critters deeper in to were Im a waitng:) Try it...you wont be dissapointed Good tip xwing. We don't have dog hunters or high traffic areas where I live, thankfully. But will keep that in mind come TEOTWAWKI. I'm sure we'll have that then  If I run into more than one hunter in a season I get perturbed.  |
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Post by mountainmark on Sept 4, 2012 15:00:45 GMT -7
[ Just be sure your state allows dog hunting!! In Missouri it is illegal to hunt deer with dogs!! Dogs cought running deer here are shot on sight. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 15:53:42 GMT -7
[ Just be sure your state allows dog hunting!! In Missouri it is illegal to hunt deer with dogs!! Dogs cought running deer here are shot on sight. Same here. AND if they are caught by conservation agents and they find out who the owners are, the owners get fined out the wahzoo!! |
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Post by wtrfwlr on Sept 4, 2012 16:16:29 GMT -7
Dogs cought running deer here are shot on sight. Same here. AND if they are caught by conservation agents and they find out who the owners are, the owners get fined out the wahzoo!! I thought you were going to say the owners were shot as well!!!  |
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Post by ncguy on Sept 4, 2012 16:39:53 GMT -7
Its legal to dog hunt on the Eastern part of NC, I'm glad I'm on the west end. It becomes a mess between still hunter and dog hunts out east.  |
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Post by xwing on Sept 4, 2012 17:03:22 GMT -7
Personally, I think dog hunting is just a waste of time and money..... ( remember what I said about not leaving the truck) Here are a few reasons I do not dog hunt. 1. Dogs are expensive to buy and keep. Food, Vet bills, Training and alot of time 2. You turn them loose and they run for an hour...then you spend 2 hours chasing them down..? 3. you hunting with a group and have to split the meat between 8 to 20 guys....that works out to a rib and a chop apeice?.... 4. think of the money just in GAS these people spend running around trying to find them and "cut'em off". Ive seen them go fill up twice a day sometimes. 5. Radio collars dont stop them from getting hit by cars....I hear guys say there blue tick got hit on the highway and it destroyed the collar,,,,what those go for...80 bucks? 6. Plus they ride around with the deer on the dog box all afternoon to show off their kill...that cant be good for the venison... So, lets see... Upkeep and training/equip...$1500... Gas for traing and huntingper season @ todays prices...$1000... 3 hours a day hunting deer/ 6 hours hunting the dogs.... ammo( cause they are going to go through ALOT trying to hit a deer doing warp 6 in front of dogs.) $100 .... plus upkeep on the 4x4 monster truck they need to go 50 yrds off the road to drop the dogs out...$1000....snacks,drinks/beer...$200 =$3800.... $3800....you got 15 in your group....you kill 8 deer during the season and bucks here dress out around 70 to 90 lbs...we'll be generous and say 90...x 8 =....720 lbs....divided by 15 hunters = 48 lbs a year per hunter...or....$79.16 per pound..... I dont know about yall but I NEVER found any meat i'd pay $79 a lb for.... Brad and me?.... we got 2 ole man climbers(grand Visions 10 years ago, $200 ea.....one time expense....yearly....bout $60 a yr practice & hunting ammo (we load our own and practice ALOT ) gas to woods for season...$100.... Hunt daylight to dark...no wasted time.... snacks.... few granola bars and a canteen of water 20 bucks.... total investment not counting tree stands...$180... we take between 5-8 deer a yr ...so lets go 6.5 @ 90 lbs = 3.25 per pound.... $3.25 vs $79.16..... Believe I'll stay in my tree thank you |
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Post by mud on Sept 4, 2012 20:36:44 GMT -7
I am not convinced that scent control is all its cracked up to be. I practice it nearly every time out. Having some recent close encounters while squirrel hunting makes me wonder if the time of year makes a difference in what spooks them. Almost like they know when hunting season is. I hunt from trees, ground blinds, sitting next to a tree and stalking. Each method has different scent management though. My advice is two fold, still and quiet. Those two things coupled with location scouting has netted more meat in my freezer than anything you can buy off the shelf to keep your smell down. Often times their natural curiosity will bring them in closer just to see what it is they catch wind of.
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Post by mountainmark on Sept 5, 2012 12:38:29 GMT -7
Personally, I think dog hunting is just a waste of time and money..... ( remember what I said about not leaving the truck) Here are a few reasons I do not dog hunt. 1. Dogs are expensive to buy and keep. Food, Vet bills, Training and alot of time 2. You turn them loose and they run for an hour...then you spend 2 hours chasing them down..? 3. you hunting with a group and have to split the meat between 8 to 20 guys....that works out to a rib and a chop apeice?.... 4. think of the money just in GAS these people spend running around trying to find them and "cut'em off". Ive seen them go fill up twice a day sometimes. 5. Radio collars dont stop them from getting hit by cars....I hear guys say there blue tick got hit on the highway and it destroyed the collar,,,,what those go for...80 bucks? 6. Plus they ride around with the deer on the dog box all afternoon to show off their kill...that cant be good for the venison... So, lets see... Upkeep and training/equip...$1500... Gas for traing and huntingper season @ todays prices...$1000... 3 hours a day hunting deer/ 6 hours hunting the dogs.... ammo( cause they are going to go through ALOT trying to hit a deer doing warp 6 in front of dogs.) $100 .... plus upkeep on the 4x4 monster truck they need to go 50 yrds off the road to drop the dogs out...$1000....snacks,drinks/beer...$200 =$3800.... $3800....you got 15 in your group....you kill 8 deer during the season and bucks here dress out around 70 to 90 lbs...we'll be generous and say 90...x 8 =....720 lbs....divided by 15 hunters = 48 lbs a year per hunter...or....$79.16 per pound..... I dont know about yall but I NEVER found any meat i'd pay $79 a lb for.... Brad and me?.... we got 2 ole man climbers(grand Visions 10 years ago, $200 ea.....one time expense....yearly....bout $60 a yr practice & hunting ammo (we load our own and practice ALOT ) gas to woods for season...$100.... Hunt daylight to dark...no wasted time.... snacks.... few granola bars and a canteen of water 20 bucks.... total investment not counting tree stands...$180... we take between 5-8 deer a yr ...so lets go 6.5 @ 90 lbs = 3.25 per pound.... $3.25 vs $79.16..... Believe I'll stay in my tree thank you Holy smokes xwing, 90 pounds is a fawn where I'm at. Most bucks are pushing 200 in the early season before rut slims em down! My neighbor shot one last year at 230 lb. That's got to make your drag out a lot easier though  Unfortunately we are only allowed one deer per year though, unless you bow hunt. Then you can get two more. |
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Post by mountainmark on Sept 5, 2012 12:47:56 GMT -7
I am not convinced that scent control is all its cracked up to be. I practice it nearly every time out. Having some recent close encounters while squirrel hunting makes me wonder if the time of year makes a difference in what spooks them. Almost like they know when hunting season is. I hunt from trees, ground blinds, sitting next to a tree and stalking. Each method has different scent management though. My advice is two fold, still and quiet. Those two things coupled with location scouting has netted more meat in my freezer than anything you can buy off the shelf to keep your smell down. Often times their natural curiosity will bring them in closer just to see what it is they catch wind of. i agree on the importance of being still and quiet. I think the importance of scent management is hard to quantify. If a deer smells you, it will be more cautious. The deer around here will usually give you one chance. For instance if they hear something they will freeze for a good long while and then go about their business. If they catch a movement, the same. My thought is that if they smell something it counts as that chance. any movement or sound after that and there gone. I will continue to do all I can to cover my scent because I need every advantage I can get |
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Post by xwing on Sept 5, 2012 17:01:12 GMT -7
Oops.let me explain. I mean 90 lbs meat...after deer is processed. ..not on the hoof. Our deer go 170 to 200 lbs too
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Post by mountainmark on Sept 5, 2012 17:23:40 GMT -7
Oops.let me explain. I mean 90 lbs meat...after deer is processed. ..not on the hoof. Our deer go 170 to 200 lbs too Ah thanks, that makes more sense  Lol, I guess when you said "Dressed out" I read "field dressed." Sorry for confusing that  |
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Post by ncguy on Sept 5, 2012 18:04:43 GMT -7
I am not convinced that scent control is all its cracked up to be. I practice it nearly every time out. Having some recent close encounters while squirrel hunting makes me wonder if the time of year makes a difference in what spooks them. Almost like they know when hunting season is. I hunt from trees, ground blinds, sitting next to a tree and stalking. Each method has different scent management though. My advice is two fold, still and quiet. Those two things coupled with location scouting has netted more meat in my freezer than anything you can buy off the shelf to keep your smell down. Often times their natural curiosity will bring them in closer just to see what it is they catch wind of. i agree on the importance of being still and quiet. I think the importance of scent management is hard to quantify. If a deer smells you, it will be more cautious. The deer around here will usually give you one chance. For instance if they hear something they will freeze for a good long while and then go about their business. If they catch a movement, the same. My thought is that if they smell something it counts as that chance. any movement or sound after that and there gone. I will continue to do all I can to cover my scent because I need every advantage I can get I agree MM I try the best I can to control my scent. Its impossible to be 100% scent free, but I do what I can to help. I can think of many a time the wind changed on me and bust a deer out. |
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Post by ncguy on Sept 5, 2012 18:06:40 GMT -7
This is probably the best tip I have ever received. Its called hunting not shooting don't expect to kill something every time you go.
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Post by mountainmark on Sept 6, 2012 13:47:33 GMT -7
This is probably the best tip I have ever received. Its called hunting not shooting don't expect to kill something every time you go. Yup. In recent years I have averaged about two weeks of hunting before I bag my buck. If you count my hours it makes for some expensive meat. In a survival situation it would be different because I will be able to shoot any deer. Something that helps me is try to never come back empty handed. There are always mushrooms to be found in the fall! I also just love being in the woods so I think of it more as relaxation than work. The deer here are harder to get than some other areas (so I hear). A couple of my brothers and some friends go to Missouri every year and spend a week hunting. They have all come back with a buck every year for the past several. My brother, who is a much better hunter than I and has hunted all over the country, claims NH is the hardest place to consistantly get a buck. |
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If I run into more than one hunter in a season I get perturbed. 
Lol, I guess when you said "Dressed out" I read "field dressed." Sorry for confusing that 