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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 15:29:30 GMT -7
I get 1 free landowners tag for any deer (buck or antlerless). Also if I want I can get unlimited antlerless, buy the first one for $17 and each tag after that is $7 each...unlimited numbers. For Missouri deer season we can hunt White Tails and Mulies. Archery season from 9/15/2012 - 11/9/2012 and from 11/21/2012 - 1/15/2013 Firearms any deer from 11/10/2012 - 11/20/2012***unlimited antlerless in my area Firearms antlerless only from 11/21/2012 - 12/2/2012 ***unlimited number in my area Urban firearm from 10/5/2012 - 10/8/2012 Muzzleloader and alternate methods from 12/15/2012 - 12/25/2012 YOUTH ONLY from 11/3/2012 - 11/4/2012 and 12/29/2012 - 12/30/2012 We can get 1 buck and unlimited antlerless for the year. Any unfilled buck tag from firearms season is good in muzzleloader season, but we cannot fill a second buck tag. There is a point restriction that a legal buck must have 4 points 1 inch or longer on at least 1 side. This is a regulation in 63 counties (I think its still 63). We can carry and use any pistol or rifle as long as it uses/has centerfire ammo with expanding bullets. We can also use any shotgun as long as it is with a slug only (including 410). We can also use air powered rifles of 40 cal or higher as long as it has an external compressions source. We have a pretty good deer season around here. ;D Actually Dink, MO has one of the nation's best conservation departments. Not perfect mind you, but still top notch. Less than 1% of the land here in TX is public land  . In all fairness though, there is some phenomenal hunting to be had here on lease. I have tons of prime public land to hunt in Missouri - especially if I want to bowhunt. Anyway, I wanted to ask you if your county has the 4 vsibile point on one side restriction for bucks. I mainly hunt in Franklin County and they implemented that about 5 years ago and I see way more bucks, and bigger ones than I ever did before. Yes, Callaway has the 4 point rule. And wouldn't you know it...I have a nice spike buck and a good lookin 4 pointer hanging out in my FRONT YARD every single evening!!! I think they know the rules and can count!!    |
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Post by wtrfwlr on Sept 19, 2012 17:30:04 GMT -7
While I understand what is trying to be accomplished with a 4 point rule I usually don't agree with it. A much more effective management program is a 'slot' for harvesting Bucks. This is the system that is in place here in Arkansas on our Federally Managed Refuges.
In this program a Buck must have at least 4 points on one antler and can have no more than 3 total. I know that is a little confusing at first but it's easier to know what you can't shoot. That would be 4, 5 and 6 point Bucks. In this way you are protecting the young healthy Bucks that have good promising genetics to develop. It also allows for the herd to be culled of the young Bucks that were born late in the spring or summer. This comes into play on several different levels but without going way off into Deer Biology and such it is an indicator of a couple important things. One is since this Buck has not developed any further than a spike or 3 point means the genetics in the Doe or breeding Buck could flawed or there is an over population of Deer or the Buck/Doe ratio is skewed setting the stage for Fawns to be born so late in the year. One other thing to note about this is that a Spike or 3 point Buck is capable of breeding during that first season of rut. That being said, those are not the traits that are desirable to pass along to the herd for quality Whitetails.
Many do not make the connection with Deer Management but it is just like raising Cattle. You always cull the runts and less desirable stock of the herd and keep the prime animals to breed and make the herd strong and healthier. This is also true with managing for Trophy Bucks too. Ask a Cattle rancher if he would shoot his prized Bull and keep a smaller less attractive one! I know I never thought about Deer in that way until I went to school and learned about it.
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Post by thywar on Sept 19, 2012 18:46:15 GMT -7
Good point wtrfwlr, however, back in another life when I had access to 11,000 acres known as Winter Quarters Hunting and Fishing Club in NE Louisiana the biologists from MS State had them harvesting just the opposite.. It had to be a 6 point buck or better to be harvested and they also increased the doe harvest considerably. They started taking bigger and better bucks every year after that. Beats me..
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Post by wtrfwlr on Sept 19, 2012 20:07:45 GMT -7
Good point wtrfwlr, however, back in another life when I had access to 11,000 acres known as Winter Quarters Hunting and Fishing Club in NE Louisiana the biologists from MS State had them harvesting just the opposite.. It had to be a 6 point buck or better to be harvested and they also increased the doe harvest considerably. They started taking bigger and better bucks every year after that. Beats me.. What years was this taking place? I ask because as you know Deer and Deer management has changed drastically over the past several decades. When I first came to Arkansas it was rare to even see a deer much less shoot one. Of course no one had ever heard about Quality Management back in those days. Then through better regulation and management the herd rebounded. Only problem with that is none of the older guys understood about taking Does and they wouldn't shoot or allow the shooting of them and they soon became to overpopulated. Back to your experience in Louisiana I'm guessing that is probably what was taking place then. We had a similar thing on a lease I was on a few years back. We had several clubs that encompassed 40,000 acres in South Arkansas. We all got together with the AGFC and the Timber company Biologist and established a Quality Deer Management Program. First thing on the list was herd reduction. Since those areas are so close that may be what took place down there as well. Deer management has improved so much through the years even hunters now know how important it is to not only control the overall herd but also the Buck to Doe ratio. |
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Post by thywar on Sept 19, 2012 20:43:07 GMT -7
Yeah all that was last century. I got divorced from her in 1992 and for some reason her Dad wouldn't let me hunt there anymore.. kind of cold hearted of him, but I guess I understood his reasoning.. not to mention the fishing was incredible.. as was the turkey hunting, the duck hunting, the coyote hunting, the hog hunting... hmmm wonder why I ever divorced the.. ex.. Oh.. to the question.. it was late 80s early 90s..
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Post by wtrfwlr on Sept 19, 2012 21:01:38 GMT -7
Yeah all that was last century. I got divorced from her in 1992 and for some reason her Dad wouldn't let me hunt there anymore.. kind of cold hearted of him, but I guess I understood his reasoning.. not to mention the fishing was incredible.. as was the turkey hunting, the duck hunting, the coyote hunting, the hog hunting... hmmm wonder why I ever divorced the.. ex.. Oh.. to the question.. it was late 80s early 90s.. I'm not even going to ask, cause if was bad enough for you to give up access to all that than that's REALLY BAD!!!Would she happen to be single now btw? Jus kidn!! Back to the Deer. That would be about right on the time frame of when all of that type of program was just hitting the scene. It sure took a long time to sell some of the guys on doing that but like you say once a year or two goes by and they start bagging bigger and better deer they are usually sold on it. |
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Post by USCGME2 on Sept 20, 2012 6:27:44 GMT -7
I can remember back in the day if you got a doe tag you were King in camp. They used to be few and far inbetween. I have no problem shooting does cause they eat good.  |
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Post by wtrfwlr on Sept 20, 2012 6:32:48 GMT -7
I can remember back in the day if you got a doe tag you were King in camp. They used to be few and far inbetween. I have no problem shooting does cause they eat good. Yessir! And the best thing to do is make sure that Doe tag is the first one that is filled! That is the very best thing to do. I get sick of hearing guys say "Oh I'm saving my Doe tag till later" That is absolutely the wrong thing to do! If you have Doe tags fill them first and fill all of them. |
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Post by thywar on Sept 20, 2012 6:40:08 GMT -7
No she isn't single now, but now that I know about arsenic in rice, and considering she was born and raised in LA eating rice about 9 times a week I probably should cut her some slack.. cause there is scientific proof now why she is like she is.. but.. nawwww I just can't do it..
I agree with filling the doe tags. Can't eat horns (although they're more fun to shoot) and I think each member there could take 12-14 does each season.. It really was a sportsman's paradise. Good management made it even better. The Mississippi river flooding about 80% of it every spring didn't hurt it any either.. just restocked all the ponds and bar ditches.
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Post by USCGME2 on Sept 20, 2012 6:57:59 GMT -7
No she isn't single now, but now that I know about arsenic in rice, and considering she was born and raised in LA eating rice about 9 times a week I probably should cut her some slack.. cause there is scientific proof now why she is like she is.. but.. nawwww I just can't do it.. I agree with filling the doe tags. Can't eat horns (although they're more fun to shoot) and I think each member there could take 12-14 does each season.. It really was a sportsman's paradise. Good management made it even better. The Mississippi river flooding about 80% of it every spring didn't hurt it any either.. just restocked all the ponds and bar ditches. Why do I suddenly hear mallards? |
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Post by wtrfwlr on Sept 20, 2012 7:11:33 GMT -7
Why do I suddenly hear mallards? That's not a worry, I hear them all day every day!!  |
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. In all fairness though, there is some phenomenal hunting to be had here on lease. I have tons of prime public land to hunt in Missouri - especially if I want to bowhunt. 
