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Post by ccove on Sept 9, 2014 12:47:57 GMT -7
I have been giving alot of thought to this and have come with different ways to cook in a suburban envirnment. Cooking however is not really the concern. It is the smells that worry me. Nothing says come and get to a bunch of starving people like the ordor of food cooking. Does anyone have any ideas. I thought of cooking in my basement and putting it through the heater flu or using the fire place but I just dont know how well that will dispurse any odors.
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Post by graf on Sept 9, 2014 16:32:03 GMT -7
I have had similar thoughts and found cooking in early am or late pm hours to attract less atention. Cooking near larger evergreen areas do 2 things breaks up smoke and seems to absorb or mask some of the odors. I have also found cooking near wetland/swamp areas to be effective however the down side is mosquitos are higher quanities. I have had thoughts that cooking in the rain over a fire with a canopy of sorts would not attract attention due to most getting out of the rain and rain delutes odors. I have found and recommend cooking in covered pots to reduce odor as well as digging a pit lining with rocks building a fire to produce hot coals wrap your food set in hot coals and cover everything with 2" dirt this reduces alot of smoke and odors while cooking your food as well as keeping out of sight.
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Post by marc on Sept 9, 2014 17:01:13 GMT -7
I've thought about this at length. No matter how I slice it, without a good sophisticated multistage filtration system, I cannot honestly say that it can be done in a populated environment. I used to make my living in a related field, but maybe I'm missing something. Can I design a system to work? Oh, you bet. Would it be easy to build, maintain and operate long term? On heck no!
Remember that filtration and dilution are only a part of the overall picture. The human olfactory system is pretty impressive!
Marc
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Post by Logarius on Sept 10, 2014 19:50:09 GMT -7
Maybe the solution is picking foods that have low odor generation and seasoning before eating not while cooking. It limits your choices but may be the most viable. Wood smoke is the worst for OPsec so you will also need to use propane or alcohol to reduce combustion odor and reduce cooking times which will help reduce detection.
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Post by cowgirlup on Sept 11, 2014 9:33:56 GMT -7
Maybe the solution is picking foods that have low odor generation and seasoning before eating not while cooking. It limits your choices but may be the most viable. Wood smoke is the worst for OPsec so you will also need to use propane or alcohol to reduce combustion odor and reduce cooking times which will help reduce detection. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk That's what I was thinking. making some soup vs. cooking a steak will make a difference. Plus if cooking outside you could build a decent fire and then when it dies down cook over the hot coals. 3 seasons out of the year up here there is wood smoke in the air someplace and it usually involves heat not food. In an urban setting it would stand out more. One of the silliest things I read in a recent survival fiction book was where the main group has a fish fry and pig roast while the rest of the neighborhood was starving. lets see how that works in real life.
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 11, 2014 10:06:00 GMT -7
The only easy solution is masking odors such as burning fresh pine or other high smoke volume combustible.
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Post by ccove on Sept 11, 2014 12:55:52 GMT -7
The only easy solution is masking odors such as burning fresh pine or other high smoke volume combustible. Interesting, my luck the pine smoke would get in my food but it is a solution
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Post by woodyz on Sept 11, 2014 19:56:25 GMT -7
The only easy solution is masking odors such as burning fresh pine or other high smoke volume combustible. Interesting, my luck the pine smoke would get in my food but it is a solution Think masking fire/smoke as opposed to main fire. Set a masking fire down wind or even in a different building area. Don't limit it to pine or the smoke as the mask, burn a tire or a dead cat. Better yet fry some bacon in an open area and build a "dummy" to sit by the fire. Anyone who approaches will either come begging or shooting. If they come begging, let them have the bacon. If they come shooting at the dummy, well you get the picture. Or just fry the bacon to take the heat off of you until you have time to cook a lesser aroma producing food and get your fire out. If the neighborhood had a reputation for putrid smelling or tire fires or just wood fires with nothing found during a search, those hunting easy prey soon get tired of not finding anything and stop looking. I don't think filtering or not being able to cook are as good or as easy of an answer as masking and/or fooling would be. I hide things in a cemetery because 75% of the sheeple have an aversion to cemeteries. Just sayin'
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Post by thywar on Sept 11, 2014 20:21:08 GMT -7
I hide things in a cemetery because 75% of the sheeple have an aversion to cemeteries.
Well alrighty. Proof positive I'm no sheeple. I used to go 'parkin' in cemeteries. (Waiting for Angelhelp to ask me what 'parkin' is. Just another southern tradition :-))
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Post by woodyz on Sept 11, 2014 21:05:49 GMT -7
Ok you forced me to remember another story, true of course, like all the rest.
Parked in a cemetery with my future/current wife, her Sister and her sisters future husband.
This was one of those where every so often you would see a ghost light, green floating gas.
Made the girls stay close.
So we are parked in here and occupied watching for the ghost light and two "friends" sneak up and beat on the car, gave everyone a good scare.
So after we go out to where they are parked on the road near this old boarded up house. As we are standing there two girls short one of the guys picks up a chunk of rock out of the ditch to show everyone how strong he is and to show everyone how stupid he is he throws the rock through the side of the house. Yep it was that rotten.
Well about 2 minutes later a shotgun sticks out of the hole he gets made and just as I pull the two girls down behind the opposite side of the car it goes off, hitting the car the guy that threw the rock and some of the shot bouncing off of the hood and catching me in the side of the face and upper left arm. My third time being shot with shotgun pellets. The other two being in the back and butt while stealing watermelons, two different times from the same guy/patch.
Turns out this crazy lady who's husband was buried there recently had took to staying in the cemetery with him and when the two guys drove up she hid in the house, then when the guy through the rock through the wall it scared her and she shot us.
No one hurt too bad, but turns out the chunk of rock was a piece of tombstone someone sometime earlier had broken up and thrown in the ditch.
Well we all had to go to court for grave robbing and tombstone vandalism and making ourselves targets, and the beer in the other boys car we didn't drink.
But it worked out despite the police trying to make something out of nothing and it was the old lady who was our main witness + the piece of tombstone the stupid cops brought as evidence when it had obviously been in the mud and water of the ditch way before it got picked up and thrown through the wall.
So we did our parking at the lake and watched the submarine races after that.
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Post by angelhelp on Sept 12, 2014 3:05:07 GMT -7
I'm guessing that "parking" is code for a guy trying to get a female to remain in a vehicle with him while he attempts to execute hormonal-sourced plans.
Never did it and would never have put myself in such a position...
Been in plenty of cemeteries, though, and never been spooked...
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Post by thywar on Sept 12, 2014 4:20:14 GMT -7
Z Man if that story happened in Oklahoma are you referring to the Spook Light? If so I've been there under similar circumstances. Well minus the tombstone throwing, shotgun shooting/wounding, police and court. Lol
Angelhelp she was happy to remain in the car, we were in a cemetery at night. The test of that story will remain untold
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Post by pathwinder14 on Sept 12, 2014 7:39:39 GMT -7
I would also cook small and fast. Make a small fire and small meal. Cook it quickly and move on. I'm thinking soup can with a hobo stove or a squaw fire. Parboil or poach meats and throw them into the soup. Each person can make their own meals unless they are injured, special needs, kids or elderly. Then one adult can also cook for someone unable, to minimize meal size, fire size, and cook time. The idea is to be done and eating safely away well before anyone even gets wind of your fire/food.
Thoughts ideas?
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Post by cajunlady87 on Sept 12, 2014 8:30:04 GMT -7
I hide things in a cemetery because 75% of the sheeple have an aversion to cemeteries. Well alrighty. Proof positive I'm no sheeple. I used to go 'parkin' in cemeteries. I'll back ya up babe. "Parkin" was lots of fun, more than many people are willing to admit. And I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
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Post by cajunlady87 on Sept 12, 2014 8:39:26 GMT -7
As to the cooking undetected goes. I remember this being discussed quite a few times as it was a concern of mine also. One of the best responses I remember well was posted by our friend CW whom I miss dearly. His suggestion was this, do not attempt to cook meals in your residence or camping spot. Travel a far distance in the early morning or even at night. At these times fog and fine mists are around. Make a Dakota Fire Pit near the base of a tree trunk. The smoke that does rise will be minimal and follow the trunk of the tree and disperse in the leaves of the trees, the fog or the mist. Yes the smell will be noticeable but the odds of someone being out in droves at those times are slim. This is the plan I would use.
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