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Post by carolina168181 on Jul 15, 2016 17:38:50 GMT -7
I had a nasty middle ear infection after a nasty head cold.I went to the doc N a box,gave me some meds,ear still stuffed up,did not want to spend another 75.00 to see doc again,plus 40.00 more for meds so I ordered fish Mox online.The fish Mox is clearly labeled for fish use only,not for human use.However,the capsules are the same for humans,who knew!!😉😉.This would be an option to have in your b.o.l.if you had no other options..
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Post by cajunlady87 on Jul 15, 2016 18:46:05 GMT -7
My fish mox tabs are clearly labeled Cephalexin 250mg and 500mg. Vet wanted to prescribe some for my shepherd and I asked him how many mgs. I told him the strengths I had and he said 500 mg. Schatzi is as spry as ever and weighing a hefty sixty pounds, doc says her weight is perfect. Yep, mud, fish mox works for dogs and humans.
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Post by ColcordMama on Jul 16, 2016 17:46:43 GMT -7
Stock up now while you still can. Somebody on Facebook reported that Obama signed some law that goes into effect in January, and afterwards all vet antibiotics will require a vet prescription. ALL vet antibiotics, even for fish. Apparently I was wrong, and the person who posted it on Facebook was wrong. This is what I found: www.beefcattleinstitute.org/changes-antibiotics-regulations/
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Post by woodyz on Jul 16, 2016 18:44:08 GMT -7
there is a sticky post on here some where that lists all of the substitutions and what to use for what ailment and how much
I will try and re find it
They sell the bottled injection type at tractor supply for horses and cows, its the same stuff you would just have to adjust the dose
I know it was the same stuff back when I worked for King Pharmaceuticals. It was all the same ingredients just had to be ran through a different processing plant, even had the same QC buy offs
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Post by woodyz on Jul 17, 2016 10:19:47 GMT -7
Sources for Prescription Medications? Tuesday, Dec 15, 2009 Mr. Rawles, As a physician I take significant offense to Lawrence R.'s letter regarding antibiotics. The fact is over 90% of infections presenting to US hospitals are antibiotic resistant in some form or other. He is correct that some of the older medications may be effective and that is why bacterial cultures are performed to determine antibiotic resistance. He is sadly misinformed regarding the idea that we prescribe the most expensive or newest antibiotic available. We prescribe the least expensive antibiotic that is effective against the specifically cultured infection as long as a patient is not allergic to that class of antibiotic.
I wish him luck using penicillin for 90+ percent of soft tissue infections obtained outside of the hospital as the large majority of community acquired soft tissue infections are resistant to penicillin. A good broad spectrum antibiotic which can be obtained very inexpensively is Sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim otherwise known as Septra or Bactrim. This can be had at large chain stores for $5 for a two week supply and is widely used as there is low resistance to this class of antibiotic as of this time. This applies to localized soft tissue infections only, such as a cut, scratch, abscess or boil. I had to correct this misinformation posted on your superlative blog. Thank you for your time, - Kevin C.
Jim; After reading the suggestion from Lawrence R about antibiotics, I think this email that I sent you back in 2007 bears repeating, with just a few changes. Terramycin is a trade name for tetracycline, a common antibiotic. It's value has changed over the years due to antibiotic resistance (not drug company lies)....but it's useful as * an alternative in PCN-allergic patients: syphilis, yaws, Vincent's infections, and infections caused by N. gonorrhoeae, B. anthracis, L. monocytogenes, Actinomyces sp., and Clostridium sp. * URI and lower respiratory tract infections; skin and soft tissue infections; Granuloma inguinale;psittacosis caused by Chlamydia psittaci. * Typhus infections,Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, rickettsial infections, and Q Fever. * Infections caused by Chlamydia trachomatis. * Urinary tract infections. * Infections caused by Borrelia sp., Bartonella bacilliformis, H. ducreyi, F. tularensis, Y. pestis, V. cholerae, Brucella sp., C. fetus. * Adjunctive to intestinal amebiasis cause by E. histolytica. * Infections caused by susceptible strains of E. coli, Enterobacter aerogenes, Shigella sp., Acinetobacter sp. Klebsiella sp., Bacteroides sp. NON-FDA APPROVED USES * H. pylori-related peptic ulcer disease (in combination with bismuth subsalicylate and metronidazole - a very large percentage of ulcers are caused by this bacterial infection). * Gingivitis/periodontitis * Acne vulgaris As you can see, it's useful for specific infections..... There is no 'one best antibiotic' for all purposes. Antibiotics have to be administered based on the specific type of bacteria causing an infection. Administering the wrong antibiotic doesn't just NOT work, it causes different bacteria that are not killed outright to become resistant to it - which can cause problems down the road. People have pathogenic bacteria in and on them all the time, when something causes them to go out of balance and cause disease. At the very basic level, antibiotics are based on the cell wall of the bacteria (which determines if it will stain pink or blue with the Gram microscopic stain process), and their shape. Once that determination is made, certain bacteria have been shown to be sensitive to certain drugs, for example Gram-negative bacillus (say, E. coli) is usually sensitive to the fluoroquinolones like ciprofloxacin (Cipro). If I were to recommend a basic armamentarium of oral antibiotics, I'd have to pick at least five different ones. I actually carry these, plus 4 or 5 IV/IM only drugs, and pick the best drug for the problem at hand, because once again, the wrong drug isn't just not as good, it's nogood and a waste of valuable, scarce resources that might be needed more appropriately for another patient. 1. Ciprofloxacin (Cipro) 500mg twice a day for infectious (bacterial) diarrhea (5 days max), anthrax prophylaxis (x60 days),uncomplicated UTI (7 days max), gonorrhea (1-2 tabs, once) Given the incidence of certain bacteria that are resistant to ciprofloxacin, it is also wise now to also carry azithromycin 2. Azithromycin 250mg Comes in packs of 6 for 5 days dosage, take 2 the first day, then 1 a day until gone. for bronchitis, pneumonia, or serious throat infection. 3. Ampicillin 500 mg 4 times a day for , or amoxicillin-clavulanate 875 mg twice a day (Augmentin, very $$$) for sinus infection, skin infection, or ear infection, GI, GU, 4. Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole 160/800mg (double strength) twice a day, 7-10 days or doxycycline 100 mg twice a day, for 7 days for methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) infection, UTI, otitis media, sinusitus, bronchitis Doxycycline is also a chloroquine-resistant malaria prophylaxis, take 1 daily starting 2 days before travel until 4 weeks (28 days) after return from endemic area, effective against Rickettsials (Rocky mountain spotted fever) 5. Metronidazole 500mg 4 times a day for 7-14 days effective against Giardia lamblia and for dental infections, trichomoniasis Augmentin is very good for animal (especially cat) bites, but is quite expensive. Amoxicillin is a synthetic penicillin, the clavulinic acid (clavulanate) contributes penicillinase (an enzyme some bacteria produce that inhibits penicillin effectiveness) resistance. This list is in no way comprehensive, nor are the indications the only possible uses for the drug, or the only drug for a condition. Take care, and keep up the good work. - FlightER, MD Mr. Editor, I feel compelled to write you about a couple of recent medical posts by other SurvivalBlog readers. One writer stated that Cipro is good for sinus infections. Generally this is not true. Given a severe infection and no other antibiotic options, [if it is] TEOTWAWKI, then sure go head and try it, but think of Cipro as a below the diaphragm antibiotic, urinary tract infections, diverticulitis (preferably combined with Flagyl, an inexpensive antibiotic/antiparasitic), and so forth. Physicians will sometimes try it for skin and soft tissue infections, such as cellulitis, but the results with this generally are quite poor in my first-hand experience. The real reason I take keyboard in hand, however, is to reply to the posting of Lawrence R.. It pains me to see someone who appears to be a former Coastie (Semper Paratus) making the claims he does about antibiotic resistance. It is not my intention to start an argument or negatively toned debate on your excellent blog, but to state that antibiotic resistance is a lie is patently false. Resistance among some of the most common pathogenic bacteria to penicillins, cipro, and other commonly used antibiotics is a substantial problem physicians contend with every day. An internet search using the terms antimicrobial resistance and the name of their state, community, and perhaps even a local hospital may reveal tables of statistics with the frequencies of resistance to common pathogens to readers. Additional light reading may be found here. Lawrence's comments that ranchers and farmers treating themselves with antibiotics devoid of trained medical advice is done "with no deleterious effects" is a disingenuous and potentially dangerous statement. Certainly, people - with or without physician advice, often in today's world, will take antibiotics when they are not needed, and suffer no apparent harm. The lack of direct, obvious and immediate consequences does not turn this uneducated practice into a virtue. This practice is one of the primary reasons for the significant levels of antibiotic resistance prevalent today. Further, complications from partially treated infections, delays in seeking proper medical attention for medical problems because one thought the antibiotic in the cupboard would take care of it, and direct consequences of antibiotics on the human system are all problems physicians help patients with every week. Ask the next woman you see about yeast infections with antibiotics and you may begin wondering how much Diflucan to stock at the retreat. Or, instead of that common but relatively minor example, ask one of my patients who now must be on antifungal medicines for the rest of his life because prior to seeing me he partially treated a series of sinus infections until a yeast infection took hold, ate into the bones of his skull, creating an infection in his skull which can be contained, yet never cured. Also, ask anyone who has had C. dificle colitis after an antibiotic course if antibiotics have no deleterious effects. C. dificile colitis can emerge up to a year after the last course of antibiotics. In a TEOTWAWKI situation this makes stockpiling some Flagyl especially helpful, though I have seen patients have to take it for up to 3-6 months for the colitis to be resolved. There are other antibiotics which can be used for this problem, but they are cost-prohibitive for stockpiling. Oh, BTW, think that the appendix has no meaningful function? It's use is as a reservoir of normal colon flora to be used to repopulate the colon after a severe diarrheal illness. Since this discovery was made I have noted that the distinct majority of patients I have seen with C. dificile have undergone previous appendectomies. In either case, with or without your appendix, it is an unnecessary risk of health and "antimicrobial OPSEC" to randomly treat oneself without medical input from someone with relevant training. In another vein however, my personal opinions about the ongoing prevalence of antibiotic resistance in TEOTWAWKI may be of interest. Most forms of antibiotic resistance mounted by bacteria require the expenditure of energies and resources by the bacteria themselves. Because we live in a world in which antibiotic exposure is unnaturally common, from prescription medications as well as the indiscriminate use of antibiotics in our food supply - reference Lawrence's own assertion that the local feed store is an easy and ample source of antibiotics. (I have close family members and patients who are livestock farmers and have witnessed flagrant misapplication of antibiotics to livestock first-hand as well.) This environment creates a scenario in which a survival advantage for the bacteria who express the resistance factors is generated. Interestingly, in TEOTWAWKI, the world-wide presence of antibiotics in the ecosystem should rapidly revert back to the natural state, where microbes such as fungi, for example, who release penicillin naturally (the original source of the "discovery" of penicillins), will be the only source of organic antimicrobials. In this scenario the bacteria who are consuming their energies and resources to make antibiotic resistance defenses will be at a survival disadvantage to other bacteria who are not dividing their resources between survival & replication and antibiotic resistance. Thus, in relatively short order, measurable declines in resistant antibiotic populations could be expected. If this theory pans out, then the utility of Penicillin, Cipro and other stockpiled antibiotics, when recommended by your survival group's medical officer, could be greater than present day patterns of resistance would suggest. Certain microbes will always be resistant to certain antibiotics, as inherency of their natures, but reviewing such examples may be tedious and unhelpful to those of us surviving, as the tools and opportunity to perform gram stains, cultures and sensitivity testing may not be practical. On a final note, in addition to my specialty specific text books, Harrison's Internal Medicine being the most well known of the comprehensive ones, I also keep for emergency/survival scenarios copies of Auerbach's Wilderness Medicine and Goldfrank's Toxicologic Emergencies as well as DOD field manuals. Those two books are rather thick and heavy, so may be worth reading through and pre-positioning at the bug out site, or having at the site for the designated medical officer of your group. There is a field guide version of Wilderness Medicine which is easier on the wallet. The Washington Manual General Internal Medicine is another portable resource which should be excellent for your group's medical officer. Medical libraries at medical schools and hospitals often have second hand sales of books that are outmoded by new editions and lightly used copies of these books can sometimes be found at bargain prices there. OBTW, other medical books at these sales can also make very convincing "book safes" if one has glue, sharp instruments, and time on one's hand. In parting, common sense is essential, but it isn't a substitute for medical experience and training. Make sure your survival group has at least one experienced medical person, be they medic, physicians' assistant, ARNP, physician or surgeon. The life they save may be your own! - Dr. G.
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Post by woodyz on Jul 17, 2016 10:20:08 GMT -7
n medicine. I would personally be dead without antibiotics, and I'm sure many of you would be too. They've saved the lives of millions - probably billions. And, after TEOTWAWKI, they'll become amongst the most valued remnants of the old world.
Think of it. You get an infected cut or come down with strep throat. You will die without antibiotics and you're probably well aware of it. What would you give for a bottle of the little magical pills? Probably anything.
Unfortunately, you can't just stroll on down to the local big box store and buy a TEOTWAWKI supply of antibiotics. You need a prescription, and doctors usually don't just hand those out to anyone who wants a few bottles of amoxicillin "just in case." So, what to do? Click below to find out!
Well, believe it or not, the solution is pretty simple. Nope, no need to learn how to brew your own antibiotics in some garage lab.
While you need a prescription for antibiotics, your fish doesn't. And, somewhat surprisingly, your fish takes generic, made-for-humans antibiotics. In the same dosage size as a doctor would give you.
Yep, really. These are the exact same thing that you would get from a pharmacy. They're generics, but they're legit.
So, you can buy amoxicillin, cipro and others on Amazon, no prescription needed and no questions asked. They've got names like "Fish-Mox ", but they are the real thing.
The image at the top of this article is what came in my bottle of Fish Mox - according to the imprint, it's generic amoxicillin, made by Aurobindo Pharma - more details here. From what I understand, you will get batches of different manufacturers, so I would not necessarily expect to get the same brand/make of amoxicillin in another bottle of good ol' Fish Mox. Drugs.com has a great pill identifier if you want to double check your pills when they arrive.
Antibiotics have about a one year shelf life, and are supposed to last indefinitely if put them in the freezer.
If you're going to invest in these meds for post-TEOTWAWKI use, it's good to know what they are used to treat, how they are administered, and side-effects or potential interactions. Information is readily available with a quick search; drugs.com is again wealth of information. I would recommend a hard copy of this information be stored with the meds. And, if you're NOT in a TEOTWAWKI situation, seek professional advice versus trying to self medicate.
Here's some info and links for some of the basics. Info is pulled from Drugs.com. Again, not medical advice here. Just educational.
Amoxicillin: Used for used for things like strep, UTI, bacterial infection and dental abscesses. It is usually administered in 500mg capsules, 3 times a day for 7 to 10 days. More info here. 500mg Amoxicillin 100 Count >
Ciprofloxacin: Used for nasties like cholera, infectious diarrhea, anthrax, salmonella, typhoid and PLAGUE. Yikes. Usually administered in 500mg capsules ever 12 hours, duration varies. More info here. 500mg Ciprofloxacin - 100 Count >
Doxycycline: Good for pneumonia, cholera, malaria, Lyme disease, chlamydia, more plague, more anthrax, and others. Usually in 100mg capsules every 12 hours, duration varies. More info here. 100 mg Doxycycline - 100 Count >
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