Post by Cwi555 on Jul 4, 2012 23:14:05 GMT -7
To set the purpose, a quote from TJ
Blame aside, I'm trying to look at this from more of a mountain-top perspective...from the viewpoint of a distant, impartial observer. Of course, a distant, impartial view is not always a clear and detailed vision. Regardless, what I see is that combining our current economic system (capitalism funded by private bankers, i.e. the Federal Reserve) with the baser aspects of human nature (greed and corruption), the system is just doomed to fail.
The French Revolution and the Russian Revolution had multiple causes; BUT, a key cause of both was the great concentration of wealth that occurred in both countries. They had massive wealth concentrated into the hands of a small minority, their middle economic classes had dwindled, and the majority of their people lived in poverty. These circumstances led to chaos.
These same circumstances are unfolding in this country, now. If we follow historical patterns, chaos is around the corner, here, too. No blame...just an observation of cause-and-effect.
I agree with your post, I also believe there is a lot left unsaid in it.
It also brings up what I consider a very important survival skill across the board. The ability to remove yourself mentally from any subject or event in order to view the big picture, or the 'mountain top' perspective' as you call it.
One of the hardest things to explain to anyone is how to achieve such a state of mind. Primarily because no two people are exactly alike in that. It is made even more difficult due to peoples propensity to read into a situation what it is they expect to see or hear.
I don't personally believe there is anyone who can obtain 100 percent lack of bias. On the other hand, there are people who can get very close to that.
Preconceptions have a very nasty habit of coloring what it is we see.
I don't believe there is anyone 100 percent free of those either. They wouldn't be human if they were, but as with bias, there are those who have learned to recognize their preconceptions and get around most of them.
Preconceptions prevents a person from thinking outside of the box/normal. Bias prevents recognition of facts when those facts don't agree with our preconceptions. In short, they go hand in hand.
Then we get to assumptions. They nucleate around bias and preconceptions. Learning to recognize assumptions, and question why they are an assumption is to me, the road to recognition of preconceptions and bias and subsequent clear vision from the ''mountain top'.
What say you?
Thanks cwi555 for making these issues so clear for everyone. And, thanks to Will for pointing out that "blame"is deserved across the board.
Blame aside, I'm trying to look at this from more of a mountain-top perspective...from the viewpoint of a distant, impartial observer. Of course, a distant, impartial view is not always a clear and detailed vision. Regardless, what I see is that combining our current economic system (capitalism funded by private bankers, i.e. the Federal Reserve) with the baser aspects of human nature (greed and corruption), the system is just doomed to fail.
The French Revolution and the Russian Revolution had multiple causes; BUT, a key cause of both was the great concentration of wealth that occurred in both countries. They had massive wealth concentrated into the hands of a small minority, their middle economic classes had dwindled, and the majority of their people lived in poverty. These circumstances led to chaos.
These same circumstances are unfolding in this country, now. If we follow historical patterns, chaos is around the corner, here, too. No blame...just an observation of cause-and-effect.
I agree with your post, I also believe there is a lot left unsaid in it.
It also brings up what I consider a very important survival skill across the board. The ability to remove yourself mentally from any subject or event in order to view the big picture, or the 'mountain top' perspective' as you call it.
One of the hardest things to explain to anyone is how to achieve such a state of mind. Primarily because no two people are exactly alike in that. It is made even more difficult due to peoples propensity to read into a situation what it is they expect to see or hear.
I don't personally believe there is anyone who can obtain 100 percent lack of bias. On the other hand, there are people who can get very close to that.
Preconceptions have a very nasty habit of coloring what it is we see.
I don't believe there is anyone 100 percent free of those either. They wouldn't be human if they were, but as with bias, there are those who have learned to recognize their preconceptions and get around most of them.
Preconceptions prevents a person from thinking outside of the box/normal. Bias prevents recognition of facts when those facts don't agree with our preconceptions. In short, they go hand in hand.
Then we get to assumptions. They nucleate around bias and preconceptions. Learning to recognize assumptions, and question why they are an assumption is to me, the road to recognition of preconceptions and bias and subsequent clear vision from the ''mountain top'.
What say you?