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Post by offtrail on Mar 20, 2017 16:22:33 GMT -7
Well with the help of my friends here at cool mama's i was able to make my atlatl kit. As i promised a video i made to record my first couple throws. I was very pleased with the results but after throwing a few i can see the atlatl & dart need some work. Once this kit is fine tuned, both the dart and atlatl will make a very effective hunting tool. More atlatl kits to come...and the fun begins.
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Post by angelhelp on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:45 GMT -7
I'm not sure how long your stride is, but that first toss was 29 steps from your starting point which seems like a pretty decent toss.
In one of the books from the Clan of the Cave Bear series (author's last name is Auel), one of these was used by a main character who fitted it with leather loops for his fingers.
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Post by thywar on Mar 20, 2017 18:07:48 GMT -7
I'm not sure how long your stride is, but that first toss was 29 steps from your starting point which seems like a pretty decent toss. In one of the books from the Clan of the Cave Bear series (author's last name is Auel), one of these was used by a main character who fitted it with leather loops for his fingers. Great set of books and that became their upgrade for hunting. Jean Auel I think. OT I think you're on the right path there. Before you refine it could you see if it'll stick or penetrate something? Of course that would mean accuracy as well but you've got it cooking.
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Post by cajunlady87 on Mar 20, 2017 18:23:13 GMT -7
Wow I'm impressed OT. You do have a way of designing and developing skills with primitive weapons.
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Post by offtrail on Mar 20, 2017 19:09:11 GMT -7
I'm not sure how long your stride is, but that first toss was 29 steps from your starting point which seems like a pretty decent toss. In one of the books from the Clan of the Cave Bear series (author's last name is Auel), one of these was used by a main character who fitted it with leather loops for his fingers. I believe that type is called the basket makers atlatl. Had to keep it simple for my first kit so i could see how it felt and worked. Once i got in a couple throws i had the dart going over 35 steps, once i get it all balanced and add the weight to the atlatl...i'll be throwing much further. After that i'm going to find my most effect range...after all what good is distance if you can't hit your target
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Post by offtrail on Mar 20, 2017 19:11:41 GMT -7
Wow I'm impressed OT. You do have a way of designing and developing skills with primitive weapons. Thanks...it's all good as long as i don't hear them dreaded words....you'll put your eye out lol
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Post by offtrail on Mar 20, 2017 19:16:10 GMT -7
I'm not sure how long your stride is, but that first toss was 29 steps from your starting point which seems like a pretty decent toss. In one of the books from the Clan of the Cave Bear series (author's last name is Auel), one of these was used by a main character who fitted it with leather loops for his fingers. Great set of books and that became their upgrade for hunting. Jean Auel I think. OT I think you're on the right path there. Before you refine it could you see if it'll stick or penetrate something? Of course that would mean accuracy as well but you've got it cooking. Plan on making two target so i can practice my accuracy...two targets so i can throw from both ends.
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Post by Redneckidokie on Mar 21, 2017 0:30:04 GMT -7
Needs more ummmph, gotta really fling it. LoL 😂
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Post by geron on Mar 21, 2017 2:35:04 GMT -7
I like it!
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Post by offtrail on Mar 21, 2017 7:32:07 GMT -7
Needs more ummmph, gotta really fling it. LoL 😂 Not really... it's not like pitching a baseball from what i can tell. The harder you throw the less likely you are to hit the target. I will however for the fun of it see how far i can send that sucker. Not a young man anymore so the last thing i need to do is throw my arm out...that happens and the fun is over
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Post by offtrail on Mar 21, 2017 7:34:31 GMT -7
My next kit will be different, little more room for my hand.
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Post by offtrail on Mar 21, 2017 15:18:53 GMT -7
Went out today and made a few throws for distance...my best was 53 steps. And that's with a half @$$ed dart and atlatl.
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Post by angelhelp on Mar 22, 2017 2:27:16 GMT -7
I'm going to have to check my books... Jean or Jane Auel... one of those is the right one.
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Post by woodyz on Mar 22, 2017 9:28:22 GMT -7
I would think the size game you might use that for would not require a arrow/dart point. blunt force trauma will kill them. Its the weight you are needing on the business end to keep it going forward I think from watching your video the dart is rotating during its flight. I suspect from the fins/fetching you have and the angle of them. try something no higher than the shaft size and angle the two offset/bottom two, but keep the top straight up and down. the other thing I noticed was lack of a weight on your atlatl, the weight provides centrifugal stability during the throwing motion and increases your accuracy. how much weight and where to locate it depends on dart size and distance of throw etc, there was much about it in one of the reference links i sent. I am not making criticism, just observation, you have come a long way with it in a short time raysatlatls.com/atlatl-topics/about-atlatls/the wobble and rotation of the dart are robbing its energy
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Post by woodyz on Mar 22, 2017 10:11:21 GMT -7
also noticed your fetching is closer to the end than post other videos i have seen sinew is great if you have it, and they sell fake sinew, but waxed dental floss makes a great substitute We all have seen you make your own cordage out of natural material from where you are so that works well www.thudscave.com/npaa/darts/dartmaking.pdfconsider the weight of the dart does not (maybe should not) be at the business end but some where forward of center. Again that will depend on dart material/length/flex/etc consider one made to be thrown overhand, kinda like a sling but not, for a close in downward power throw and the shoulder throw, like you have for longer distance. ilovehistory.utah.gov/fun_stuff/how_to_make_an_atlatl.pdfwww.thunderbirdatlatl.com/wp-content/Thunderbird_Atlatl_Catalog_2013.pdfi155.photobucket.com/albums/s312/makemebuttons/bird.jpgae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1uQHcNXXXXXX4aXXXq6xXFXXX5/Cheap-font-b-hunting-b-font-font-b-bird-b-font-font-b-arrow-b-font.jpgshooting4fun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/arrowheads.pngI understand you are using a process that allows you to find materials in the field to be used. Once you have that mastered, consider tailoring your business end to accept threaded inserts so you can carry just a few parts to customize your in the field darts. tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.XYyzCoi3eauauT9WiWhWxAEsEs&w=219&h=210&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7not only does that allow you to only carry your thrower and a few tips to the field, but it offers you many different weight combinations that will remain consistent for your throws and consistency leads to accuracy just like in handguns. www.lancasterarchery.com/arrows/arrow-components/bow-set-up-tuning.htmlwww.lancasterarchery.com/arrows/arrow-components/point-weights.htmlWe all know and appreciate your drive toward "traditional" and please keep sharing your success and failure. Without failure there is no success, so we all want to see both and us old farts who don't do much any longer but talk about what used to be can experience things again through your efforts. I hijack your posts sometimes and try to provide some "nontraditional" paths toward the same goal, for those who read your posts but are too intimidated by the effort to try them, maybe if they experience some of the "easier" paths, they will develop a thirst for the less traveled. Happy throwing!
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