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Post by Sctr22 on Apr 24, 2017 0:21:39 GMT -7
Wasn't sure if this should be under water or BOB as it deals with both, so what the heck I'll flip a coin...
So as I'm sure many people on here do, I am constantly trying to refine my GHB/BOB. Trying to streamline it, make it lighter and just get rid of things that are unnecessary without losing too many options. For water and eating I usually keep a stainless water bottle with a stainless stanley cook kit nesting together. Part of me thinks this is redundant and unnecessary weight. I could get rid of one or the other, but I do like being able to boil water and cook at the same time.
Then I started thinking in this day and age with new materials and all, is there something I can use that would lessen the weight.space and still give me the same the options.
And I came upon this little item:
It's supposedly high temp silicone like a lot of the newer cooking items these days. Folds up nice and small. The 22oz weighs 5.5oz. You can boil water in it.
Some mixed reviews about it, some say it will leak water if you aren't careful securing the cap.
So I was curious if anyone has tried this, or something similar, or any other thoughts on it.
Then again...the simple solution would just be to keep my set up as is, or just remove one of the items.
Haha making problems when there are none.
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Post by Cwi555 on Apr 24, 2017 16:13:57 GMT -7
It comes down to cost/benifit analysis. Stainless is a good option on the cheap, but is much heavier. Titanium is a good option to reduce the weight, but cost much more.
Some HDPE food grade containers can withstand boiling temperatures, but not that of a fire. The silicon versions are OK in a fix, but degrade with repeated exposure to heat.
Then we get into more advanced options. Their are some fiber reinforced ceramics that can do it at higher cost. Past that, we get into composites that are lighter still, but definitely more expensive if you can find them.
On the upper end of the cost range is aluminum oxynitride, aka translucent aluminum. It is a transparent polycrystalline ceramic with a cubic spinel crystal structure made of nitrogen, oxygen and aluminum. It has good corrosion resistance and resistance to damage from radiation and oxidation. It is about three times harder than steel of the same thickness. It could double as ballistic plate in body armor if it were formed as a skillet. In many ways it's better than all the above, but unless you're last name is Gates or Zuckerberg, it's probably out of your range for now. Once it gets more prevalent (and the military is doing a good job of making that so), it will still be expensive but doable. If you had a Co2 laser sintering head hooked up to a higher end 3d printer, you could make it yourself assuming you could afford the powder cost ($750 an ounce last I checked for the grade I am speaking of). I expect the cost to drop inside three years to 50 an ounce once mass manufacturing of it takes hold. Right now it's special order low quantity unless you military.
My advice is to stick with the stainless for now, but make the leap in four years to the aluminum oxynitride. Edit, putting money back for the day I can make a full sized knife out of it. Something else it will be good for in the future.
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Post by graf on Apr 24, 2017 18:05:32 GMT -7
I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around heating and cooking with silicone cookware. Will years from now discover it was a bad idea regarding our health? Think this old dog will stay with what has worked for years, stainless, aluminum, and steel just my opinion
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Post by Sctr22 on Apr 24, 2017 18:10:56 GMT -7
putting money back for the day I can make a full sized knife out of it. ... Sticking with stainless to do this sounds like the bestest idea of all times...
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Post by Sctr22 on Apr 24, 2017 18:18:19 GMT -7
I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around heating and cooking with silicone cookware. Will years from now discover it was a bad idea regarding our health? Think this old dog will stay with what has worked for years, stainless, aluminum, and steel just my opinion I don't disagree with you. Which is why I stick with stainless for most of my cooking. I actually don't trust aluminum for the same concern you have with silicon. It has it's place but I minimize use when I can. Considering CWI's point about it breaking down over time I think just sticking with good ole stainless is going to be the way to go. Maybe I'll just keep the Stanley to boil in and put a platypus water bag in there to store it instead. At least until I can get me some of that translucent aluminum that Scotty brought back from the future. *Mind blown*
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Post by Cwi555 on Apr 25, 2017 12:00:47 GMT -7
I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around heating and cooking with silicone cookware. Will years from now discover it was a bad idea regarding our health? Think this old dog will stay with what has worked for years, stainless, aluminum, and steel just my opinion Entirely possible given the chemical constituents seperated/formed from heat degradation.
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Post by Cwi555 on Apr 25, 2017 14:06:41 GMT -7
1957 was the first time it was made. The screen writers etc who put that in the movie were investigated for it. Until the late 90's it had a military TS tag.
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Post by missasip on Apr 25, 2017 18:10:35 GMT -7
The water bottle thing haunts me but has taken a turn. The selection is just mind numbing....like a menu at Olive Garden...lol
I have now started recycling 32 oz Poweraide bottles. They are very tough. They have a ring at the neck that lends it's self to a wire tie and carabiner. I have used this for quite a while. It's lite weight, tough and free. I have 2-3 of them on all my bags. The carabiner enables one to throw the bottle with whatever cordage into the water source and make the mouth go down to collect water. I carry a 16 oz SS cup in all my bags also. Using it to boil water or what have you. I keep 1 for clean water only.
Just a cheap skate I guess....lol
Jimmy
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Post by thywar on Apr 25, 2017 18:38:59 GMT -7
Or resourceful, creative and just smart thinking.
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Post by Sctr22 on Apr 26, 2017 0:41:08 GMT -7
Just a cheap skate I guess....lol Jimmy Some say cheap...I say smart. Can't fault you for that.
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Post by Sctr22 on Apr 26, 2017 0:43:20 GMT -7
1957 was the first time it was made. The screen writers etc who put that in the movie were investigated for it. Until the late 90's it had a military TS tag. Wow...now that's some interesting trivia. Since 1957. Shame it isn't more prevalent by now.
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Post by woodyz on Apr 26, 2017 14:02:33 GMT -7
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