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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 28, 2022 2:35:17 GMT -7
There's been a lot of racket regarding a diesel shortage in certain media lately.
Here is the bit they are downplaying.
Home heating oil is lumped in with diesel for government purposes. The shortage is more on the home heating oil side rather than diesel. That's bad, but not as bad as running out of diesel. There will be a whole lot of cold people in the northern tier states, but they will still be able to buy food and gas their cars.
After a deep dive and several calls to people I know working tank farms, it looks like the home heating oil will run out long before the diesel. Cold can be somewhat mitigated by electric space heaters etc, but if the diesel drys up, it's game over for the countries economy.
Some food for thought
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Post by solargeek1 on Oct 28, 2022 14:11:01 GMT -7
Thank you I will warn everyone I know to get a heating oil topped off if they haven’t already.
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Post by crashdive123 on Oct 29, 2022 3:19:19 GMT -7
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 29, 2022 7:20:50 GMT -7
I've been puzzling over why the government throws diesel in with home heating oil for accounting purposes. I've not found a direct statement explaining that, but I did learn a very likely reason. The catalytic cracker, or "cat cracker," is the basic gasoline-making process in a refinery. The cat cracker uses high temperatures, low pressure, and a catalyst to create a chemical reaction that breaks heavy gas oil into smaller gasoline molecules. In that process, they separate the various components by heating them and sending them to a separation tower. The heated fumes cool as they rise in the tower separating diesel from kerosene, from gasoline from napatha etc. The fumes return to a liquid state when they cool enough. Diesel and home heating oil are very close to each other in that process from what I could find. Another run through a cat cracker could further crack home heating oil into diesel. That being the case, home heating oil loses when priorities are set due to the what happens if diesel runs out. America should have built more refineries and pipelines long ago. Now that the chickens are roosting, it's too late.
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Post by cowgirlup on Oct 29, 2022 16:34:36 GMT -7
A lot of people are buying extra diesel and putting it in their heating oil tanks a few gallons at a time. Especially if it's lower than the going heating oil rate. Thanks for the info. I knew there was a diesel shortage. No one is talking about a heating oil shortage up here. Our tank is 75% full from last year. I'll call to have it topped off. So far we are not using heat. Just 1 of the wood stoves so far. The weather still looks reasonably warm for the next few weeks. I'm hoping to get to December before using any oil for heat.
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Post by olebama on Oct 31, 2022 17:26:28 GMT -7
DANG, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE CW BACK!!
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Post by solargeek1 on Oct 31, 2022 17:47:29 GMT -7
DANG, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE CW BACK!! You bet! We are better together.
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 4, 2022 14:58:44 GMT -7
History - Ive been chasing every contact I have on this. I've learned of three refineries that went bankrupt in the northeast and two out west. All refineries in the nation have reduced capacity. That has severely curtailed the nation's ability to produce diesel. That was fallout from the covid lockdown. Supply peaked in 2020 during the lockdown, just when the demand fell through the floor due to people being locked down. Add to that, a mild weather season, those refineries had a product and no demand for it. New regulations, and a hostile government aggressively breathing down their throats, created an environment where no one was willing to reinvest in them. Under they went.
Present day - America no longer has the refining capacity to supply itself; and that assumes it can get oil to refine, which it cannot. No other nation is willing to help. The shut down refineries would have to be rebuilt now as they have sat too long for a restart.
Bottom line - Be prepared to embrace the suck. The greenies have gotten their wish in that they have killed oil in America. We will start truly feeling the repercussions of that on or before thanksgiving. There is no way out of it with no other country willing to help.
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Post by solargeek1 on Nov 5, 2022 14:25:44 GMT -7
Cwi555Thank you for chasing this down and sharing it with us . I think all of us should prepare accordingly. Doesn’t matter if we don’t need home heating oil. All of us need things that come in on trucks. You might want to place this in the “red hot warning” section on here, or whatever that thing is called.
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 5, 2022 21:01:19 GMT -7
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Post by Ceorlmann on Nov 15, 2022 19:51:32 GMT -7
Moving right along with Murphy's Law present to show how badly we messed up: it snowed here in SW Oklahoma a few days ago. When we got here last year we didn't see any semblance of winter precipitation until after Christmas.
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Post by marc on Nov 17, 2022 18:58:16 GMT -7
DANG, IT IS GOOD TO HAVE CW BACK!!
Indeed.
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