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Post by woodyz on Jun 16, 2012 20:53:24 GMT -7
Again there are two main thoughts here. I am only bugging out under sever circumstance and I am going somewhere pre-determined with the intent of being found and picked up for the ride somewhere else pre-determined. But in the event of plan B, walking to that secondary place is possible. Caches are designed with more than what is needed so that some can be taken and some left for someone who may be following. Camping gear cached is not intended to be removed, just used and returned for later use. Travel makes use of railroad tracks and utility right of ways, both for ease of travel and a well defined as well as predictable path. Everyone who needs to will know I will camp here on the third night but if not I will be on the defined path. The railway bed is easy to walk and has its own series of markers and sign posts to be used to orient one to where they are and where they need to be. Once you pass a cache a distinct marker is left behind so that anyone looking will know you are past this point and when you pasted it. Both BOL are then a less defined but just as clear ΒΌ mile walkout.
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Post by missj on Jun 17, 2012 10:10:51 GMT -7
overkill? Maybe....but you're in good company!
I have back-up plans for my plan B,C and D plans....
I have a question about cacheing....I remember a post from before (I think it was CWI, or maybe TJWilhelm?) About the PVC tube with screw on cap placed vertically in the Earth- I have long figured this would be how I would make a cache when the time comes...
My question is really about LOCATION....where are people placing their caches? On public land? how do you place it without being detected or questioned? How far off the beaten path? Do you place it at night with headlamps? What system is used to recover the exact location of the cache- triangulation between trees? Marking the spot with a distinctive rock? etc.
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Post by missasip on Jun 17, 2012 11:48:10 GMT -7
overkill? Maybe....but you're in good company! I have back-up plans for my plan B,C and D plans.... I have a question about cacheing....I remember a post from before (I think it was CWI, or maybe TJWilhelm?) About the PVC tube with screw on cap placed vertically in the Earth- I have long figured this would be how I would make a cache when the time comes... My question is really about LOCATION....where are people placing their caches? On public land? how do you place it without being detected or questioned? How far off the beaten path? Do you place it at night with headlamps? What system is used to recover the exact location of the cache- triangulation between trees? Marking the spot with a distinctive rock? etc. I have 3 caches. One has been in the ground now for nearly 8 years. The other two for less than three years. I had one in the ground for a little over 4 years and just couldn't stand it. Had to dig it up. I was just fine. I do bury them vertically, with post hole diggers. One of mine, the long time one, is 6" pvc. I use glue on caps. I tried the screw-in plugs on a short term test, they leaked even with teflon tape. I glue them on. Attached to the outside of the main tube is a 3/4" 14" long peice of pvc. screw caps on it. Inside is 4 hack saw blades, coated in grease/oil so no rust. I can get the ends off the small tube easily and cut the big tubes. I purged my tubes with nitrogen. The glued caps just give me confidence that the screw caps don't. I won't take any chances with something I may need to save my life. I have one on private property, one in a national park and one on paperwood company property. All ends are 18" deep. Tubes are 4 ft long. Have buried all during the day. All are marked with a GPS, a map and a homemade map. I have played with the idea of sinking one in a private pond. In 6" tube, clothes, freeze dried coffee, honey, canned food, ammo, bottled water, water tabs, water filter straw, fire making components, knives. In 4" same, no clothes. Mind you, these are just to get me by for a couple of days. They are set out in a triangle from my home town. Soon I will have to think about moving them or making a couple of more, as I'm moving about 12 miles east from here. JMWAG Jimmy
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Post by woodyz on Jun 17, 2012 12:50:28 GMT -7
My caches range from a coffee can to a 55 gal drum, depending on its purpose and where it is. I like underwater, graveyards, junkyards, utility right of ways and railroad beds. How it is located depends on where it is, but by using the above locations, existing signs, markers and obvious reference points make finding it easy. Here in South Carolina pine straw is every where and easily covers any soil disturbance. But don't bury it at the reference point, use a numbering sequence like Fabonacci or any known numbering system such as a Bible verse to establish a 3-5 or 7-9 dogleg off of the marker. Always have everyone carry a small Bible. I can write a letter in code that anyone in my group can read, if I use a pre-determine Bible verse combined with a known sequencing number code.
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Post by woodyz on Jun 17, 2012 13:20:42 GMT -7
I don't purge or vacuum seal or anything special, I throw in some rice never had moisture issues yet, plus I can still eat the rice, but the longest I tested was six months, with ammo and a striped down rifle in a bag of transmission fluid.
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Post by angelhelp on Jun 17, 2012 13:51:30 GMT -7
Ceorlmann had made some caches within a mile of here, but burying them was not easy. At one point he wanted to see if a severe rain would erode some of the cover; it did, and ultimately we ended up removing all caches. There is no easy way to bury anything in this area, and trying to do so unseen is well nigh impossible. Once he returns from Switzerland, we may try again.
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Post by woodyz on Jun 17, 2012 14:19:29 GMT -7
Throw a small bag of beer cans over the fresh dirt until it rains a time or two, then you can remove them or better yet dig a few additional holes and put the bag of cans in one with some showing and it will appear the digging in the area was to bury trash.
Get and old icebox or freezer take the lid off so no kids can get in it, lay it with the opening up. Make a few holes for drainage. If an eyesore is a problem bury it with just a few inches showing. Put your cache in the bottom then fill it with the dirt from your hole and plant flowers or ivy in it.
Bury your pvc in your garden/flower garden and plant on top of it.
Nail wire fencing or such to the floor joist in the crawl space and put your cache on the wire between the joist.
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Post by woodyz on Jun 17, 2012 14:49:25 GMT -7
If you bury PVC pipe vertical for any length of time when the dirt settles around it you almost have to dig the whole thing out. Instead of planning on removing it make a wooden disk the size of the pipe with a hole in the middle and a rope in it so when you open the top the rope is on top and if you pull on it everything comes up to you. but that means you have to be able to get the top off. So silicon the screw on top, I would use a glue on on the bottom. Then about and inch below the joint and up to the top put gravel in place of the dirt so water doesn't stand against the joint.
I have about stopped using PVC since I found a source of 7 gallon barrels just like the 55 gallon food grade ones. These have a rubber gasket and a two inch over lap and I can put everything two people will need for 3 days in one.
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Post by woodyz on Jun 17, 2012 15:01:45 GMT -7
A post hole digger is about the best tool for digging a cache. If being seen is an issue take a metal detector along and make a show of using it to search and dig.
I have five gallon buckets in the trunk of cars in a junkyard, we have car yards here no ones been in for years. I either find a special car I won't forget or when they are in rows just count down and over after entering the lot at a place I can't forget.
I wouldn't put anything I couldn't stand to lose in those but so far I have never had one touched.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jun 17, 2012 16:31:29 GMT -7
I believe the post your referring to was TJ's. overkill? Maybe....but you're in good company! I have back-up plans for my plan B,C and D plans.... I have a question about cacheing....I remember a post from before (I think it was CWI, or maybe TJWilhelm?) About the PVC tube with screw on cap placed vertically in the Earth- I have long figured this would be how I would make a cache when the time comes... My question is really about LOCATION....where are people placing their caches? On public land? how do you place it without being detected or questioned? How far off the beaten path? Do you place it at night with headlamps? What system is used to recover the exact location of the cache- triangulation between trees? Marking the spot with a distinctive rock? etc.
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Post by geron on Jun 17, 2012 16:33:10 GMT -7
overkill? Maybe....but you're in good company! I have back-up plans for my plan B,C and D plans.... I have a question about cacheing....I remember a post from before (I think it was CWI, or maybe TJWilhelm?) About the PVC tube with screw on cap placed vertically in the Earth- I have long figured this would be how I would make a cache when the time comes... My question is really about LOCATION....where are people placing their caches? On public land? how do you place it without being detected or questioned? How far off the beaten path? Do you place it at night with headlamps? What system is used to recover the exact location of the cache- triangulation between trees? Marking the spot with a distinctive rock? etc. Bump. This is a good question. I've been waiting for an answer also. Comemon' tell us how you do it.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jun 17, 2012 16:56:04 GMT -7
We have three BOL's. We have a fourth rally point depending on conditions. Our BOB's are loaded out for 3 days.
Each BOL as well as the RP, have various cache's nearby.
Locations of those cache's vary, as well as the nature of them. Part of our continued training is refreshing those locations, and continued verification of their existence and integrity. Over the past 10 years we have lost 12 locations out of a total in excess of 300.
Our group has designated routes that criss-cross each other. At the points where they cross, there are drop boxes. If for any reason a route is compromised, the group that had to alter their route leaves a message for those that may be still in route to let them know pre-arranged caches will be change, and to skip to every other one as there will be two groups on that route now. There are enough caches to support three groups in total.
We also have each home tied into the group routes for specific conditions. Routes, within routes within routes.
Once at the final location, there are outside rally points before entering the BOL. These are stand down points in the event others for any reason have squatted on any of our locations which should not be a problem, but you never know. This prevents us from walking into trouble, and allows force multiplication should we need to take it back.
We are working on the fourth rally point, to turn it into another BOL, but we have to get it supplied properly.
There are other locations we'd rather not name, but this is not the only country we are prepared in.
No matter what level someone is at, caches should be an absolute necessity. Even if you are taking a plastic folgers can and filling it with a sealed bag of rice, then sealing the lid and burying it, it's better than nothing. We've been at it a while, and have better than average resources. But if we had to start all over in another location, we would do it the same. Even if you plan to bug in, caches are necessary. Don't leave everything to be confiscated, for a thief, or for a tornado. Nearby caches are necessary no matter if your plan is to bug in or bug out.
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Post by woodyz on Jun 17, 2012 17:21:45 GMT -7
That is one thing I missed, screw on caps vs screw in plugs. Buried vertical I can see how water would stand on and seep into a plug before a cap. However, plugs would be easier to open, I just never considered plugs.
That's what I like about here always something new to think about.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jun 17, 2012 17:48:34 GMT -7
overkill? Maybe....but you're in good company! I have back-up plans for my plan B,C and D plans.... I have a question about cacheing....I remember a post from before (I think it was CWI, or maybe TJWilhelm?) About the PVC tube with screw on cap placed vertically in the Earth- I have long figured this would be how I would make a cache when the time comes... My question is really about LOCATION....where are people placing their caches? On public land? how do you place it without being detected or questioned? How far off the beaten path? Do you place it at night with headlamps? What system is used to recover the exact location of the cache- triangulation between trees? Marking the spot with a distinctive rock? etc. Getting more specific as to the nuts and bolts of the cache's themselves, that would take a while to be explained. For instance, sometimes the cache is the rock. One of the things I've done for a living is geotech testing. Concrete core breaking to be more specific. It occurred to me many moons ago that the artificial aging process used on some of those cores could also work to make a fake rock look real. This btw was implemented in the 96 olympic games for the white water events on the occoee river. For those that remember watching it, not all of those rocks were actually rocks. Add accelerated aging processes (salt water spray with alternate hot cold cycles for instance). These are hollow with supplies inside with the od casings weakened underneath them to facilitate cracking them open in haste. Some of our SE members may have even sat on one to rest. One in particular hase muliple graffiti marks on it. These are placed after careful study of the area for washout concerns etc, and in most cases the subject of actual rocks having been stereographically photo'd to recreate them in the event someone had them pegged for geocaching or place marking. We found it also helped in the rendering to pulverize part of the original and us it in the cache rock as is made a better match after aging it. As a word of warning, dont use a rock wall to place them, we lost a cache due to the wall being removed. That is just one option. There are hundreds of options only limited by your imagination.
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Post by thywar on Jun 17, 2012 19:01:51 GMT -7
CWI did they find your cache when they removed the wall? and had you wiped your cache clean of all your fingerprints???
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