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Post by Cwi555 on Jun 19, 2012 8:14:06 GMT -7
CWI did they find your cache when they removed the wall? and had you wiped your cache clean of all your fingerprints??? Finger prints rely on either oil from your hands, or any substance that will take the relief on the object. In this case, with the course surface of the faux stone, I wasn't worried about finger prints. As for finding the cache, no we did not. We had to chalk it up to a lessons learned. Never did figure out why they removed the wall to begin with.
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Post by pathwinder14 on Jun 20, 2012 10:50:09 GMT -7
I have my B.O.B. set to 25 lbs or less. It's right at the 25 lb mark so I have to go through it again. I want to run light yet sustainable.
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Post by Besttracker on Jul 2, 2012 6:18:32 GMT -7
Some very valid points made and congrats . The venerable " b.o.b. " has become one of the new buzz words i suppose .
There must be a million scenarios to ponder - bugging out , just before the shtf scenario - Bugging out during ?
My personal concept of a "bugout bag " is something low key / not camo or bright colors . A bag that does not hinder fast travel or agility . Something that gets me out of a "bad" situation and keeps me going for aprox 72 hours as I make my way to a cache -home or to a safer place . My small bag is just a small pack that any student might carry . Low key earth color and one shoulder strap . Can be put on or taken off in a hurry . Can be swung one handed for that small amount of time needed to draw a knife or pistol . Weighs 15 pounds max.
just my 2 cents
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Post by WILL on Jul 2, 2012 9:07:40 GMT -7
I recently opened a thread on this video series... youtu.be/jOfUzNxr7fQThis guy's planning on living out of his back-pack long term. I call that an INCH bag (I'm Never Coming Home.) It's much heavier than a BOB, but bushcrafting, not traveling appears to be his priority. He demonstrates how it's done in his video series. While I don't necessarily agree with "plan A" being living off the land long term, you have to agree that having the option to go that route is a prudent idea. After all, there are disasters that could put most of us in that predicament. Like most everyone else here, my "plan A" is bugging in. "Plan B" is bugging out to a nearby family members home using a vehicle and bringing whatever I want. If I get all the way to "Plan F" which is survival back-packing over a long distance, my gear is obviously going to have to match that objective. I would have to carry more gear to improve my odds. Bottom line, what you carry generally depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
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Post by pathwinder14 on Jul 2, 2012 9:50:20 GMT -7
You can have both capabilities in one light weight pack...if you have the right knowledge base/skill sets.
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Post by WILL on Jul 2, 2012 10:43:31 GMT -7
You can have both capabilities in one light weight pack...if you have the right knowledge base/skill sets. I'm working on that, but in addition to my regular back-packing gear, I can't really figure out a way to replace a large knife/ ax, saw, a hunting .22 & lots of ammo, with knowledge. I'm also wanting some of those animal body traps and yo-yo fishers because they are force multipliers in the food gathering dept that I simply can't replicate with natural materials. That's the sort of heavy gear that quickly weighs down a pack, but would help enormously to survive long term in the wild.
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Post by pathwinder14 on Jul 2, 2012 10:52:08 GMT -7
I'm working on that, but in addition to my regular back-packing gear, I can't really figure out a way to replace a large knife/ ax, saw, a hunting .22 & lots of ammo, with knowledge. Large knife, folding saw, hatchet, sling bow, and arrows. .22 is heavy and so is ammo. Sling bow is light weight. You can easily get dowels or make arrows for it and they are reuseable. I'm also wanting some of those animal body traps and yo-yo fishers because they are force multipliers in the food gathering dept that I simply can't replicate with natural materials. That's the sort of heavy gear that quickly weighs down a pack, but would help enormously to survive long term in the wild. Rat traps will catch opossum, skunk, raccoon, rabbit, squirrel, etc. They are light weight and cheap. You can make counter weight fishing traps that reel in a fish with a heavy log, fishing line, and a toggle.
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Post by WILL on Jul 2, 2012 16:07:03 GMT -7
I'm working on that, but in addition to my regular back-packing gear, I can't really figure out a way to replace a large knife/ ax, saw, a hunting .22 & lots of ammo, with knowledge. Large knife, folding saw, hatchet, sling bow, and arrows. .22 is heavy and so is ammo. Sling bow is light weight. You can easily get dowels or make arrows for it and they are reusable. I'm also wanting some of those animal body traps and yo-yo fishers because they are force multipliers in the food gathering dept that I simply can't replicate with natural materials. That's the sort of heavy gear that quickly weighs down a pack, but would help enormously to survive long term in the wild. Rat traps will catch opossum, skunk, raccoon, rabbit, squirrel, etc. They are light weight and cheap. You can make counter weight fishing traps that reel in a fish with a heavy log, fishing line, and a toggle. I can't see choosing a sling bow over a .22 as a food gathering tool when my family’s life is on the line. Even if I was wicked good with the sling bow, the .22 is simply a much more efficient tool. Again, I wouldn't choose to stake my family’s lives on trapping raccoons and possums with rat traps. They are the size of small dogs, so I suspect you would end up with a broken rat trap and an injured, free animal. The whole counter weight fishing trap seems like it could work, but would be time consuming to set up. That's time I could have spent on more urgent needs. I feel the same way about field crafted snares, dead falls, pit traps, ect. Those are good skills to know in case you are seperated from your gear, but they would never be my Plan A when building my BOB. YMMV, but I have to be honest with myself and others who may be building a kit from what’s discussed here.
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Post by woodscustom on Jul 2, 2012 18:34:43 GMT -7
Does anyone NOT carry a P38 in their BOB?
WC
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Post by angelhelp on Jul 2, 2012 18:52:27 GMT -7
I have both a P38 and a P51. I like the latter for some cans that have stiff-opening corners.
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Post by WILL on Jul 3, 2012 2:29:37 GMT -7
Does anyone NOT carry a P38 in their BOB? WC I carry a leatherman. It has a can opener. Or you could open cans with a knife.... youtu.be/j4o-1zgboEc
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Post by pathwinder14 on Jul 3, 2012 4:42:20 GMT -7
Does anyone NOT carry a P38 in their BOB? WC Gerber for me. You can also open cans by abrasion.
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Post by Pinpin on Jul 3, 2012 4:54:31 GMT -7
Does anyone NOT carry a P38 in their BOB? WC Nope, it's a really outdated German handgun, todays handguns are way better in every regard. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Besttracker on Jul 3, 2012 9:48:56 GMT -7
I recently opened a thread on this video series... youtu.be/jOfUzNxr7fQThis guy's planning on living out of his back-pack long term. I call that an INCH bag (I'm Never Coming Home.) It's much heavier than a BOB, but bushcrafting, not traveling appears to be his priority. He demonstrates how it's done in his video series. While I don't necessarily agree with "plan A" being living off the land long term, you have to agree that having the option to go that route is a prudent idea. After all, there are disasters that could put most of us in that predicament. Like most everyone else here, my "plan A" is bugging in. "Plan B" is bugging out to a nearby family members home using a vehicle and bringing whatever I want. If I get all the way to "Plan F" which is survival back-packing over a long distance, my gear is obviously going to have to match that objective. I would have to carry more gear to improve my odds. Bottom line, what you carry generally depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Thanx for the video Will . The guy has some valid points . Walking around the Bronx in camo - with a heavy barrel Remington - versus a crow bar to take off doors in a city or urban environment . Which scenario is one most likely to expect ? One thousand different scenarios & a million different interpretations for the response . Lots to ponder and thanks again .
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Post by mountainmark on Jul 3, 2012 12:00:22 GMT -7
Does anyone NOT carry a P38 in their BOB? WC Nope, it's a really outdated German handgun, todays handguns are way better in every regard. ;D ;D ;D ;D Hey now, don't pick on us folks who can't afford shiny new toys! My bags got a CZ52 ;D
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