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Post by ColcordMama on Mar 25, 2013 15:22:42 GMT -7
You are being hunted by unknowns, and you need to get out of town fast or go to ground where you won't be found. You don't know if they have a network, you don't know if they just want you or want you dead, you don't know how much they know about you so you must assume everything (description, residence, work, relatives, friends/associates, car license/type, etc) You can answer as though you are in your own home town or in an unfamiliar city, but for the purposes of this test, it must begin urban or suburban. (No fair saying "The Rocky Mountains.") You have a one hour head start on your pursuers. Answer two parts, one for GTHO of town, one for go to ground.
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Post by xwing on Mar 25, 2013 15:44:53 GMT -7
Thats simple.. Become the hunter...set an ambush... leave an easy to follow trail then backtrack and get in behind them. If one to three launch violent surprise attack & double tap. If larger group ...they go potty sonner or later. Its a shitty job but someones gotta do it.
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Post by karatediver on Mar 25, 2013 15:46:36 GMT -7
Heck, I call a couple of buddies I know and suddenly we're hunting them. Sounds like fun to me! And giving them an hour head start is more than fair in my opinion!
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Post by marc on Mar 25, 2013 16:00:54 GMT -7
I'd head for Jimmy's because he has a new .30-06 that he's sighting in, and you don't mess with Southern boys!
Step one is cash - lots of it. There is a spare truck that has no paperwork connected to me, or my family so I would drive it to a location that also has no apparent connection to me. No, I wouldn't drive straight toward Jimmy's on I10 - shift the route a bit - just in case. Yes, the spare truck is real and I do have several locations that nobody could connect to me. (I meet a lot of very, very private people who pay cash for their batteries)
I wouldn't even think about staying in my home area(s) because I'm waaay to visible and easy to track down. Before leaving decide how to convey a "comfortable" conversation with people you end up communicating with. Code words can be complicated, keep it down to simple thongs. Communications are getting easier with throw away phones on every corner, so I with 24 hr notice would leave some behind......... Ham freq's are very wide, broad and variable - this is super important to remember.
Hunker down until you know what you are up against. Intel becomes everything, so focus on how to learn what the heck is going on.
Just my 30 second knee jerk response.
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Post by Cwi555 on Mar 25, 2013 16:16:38 GMT -7
Any pursuer worth their salt would already have my house under observation. Carrying that to the extreme, it would be assumed the phone is tapped, any wireless transmission is being monitored, and at least one camera if not one or more forward scout up to and including a drone was watching. It would also have to be assumed one of them had placed a tracking device on my vehicles as if they could afford to gather strength for an hour, then they must feel like they will know exactly where I will be.
I am also assuming whatever source notified me was a trusted source, but now has alerted those who intend harm.
That removes at least 50 minutes of my prep time and potentially more.
In short, it would mean an immediate bug out on foot. Send immediate message to group. Grab the bags and electronics. Monitor various 'spectrums' on the way out along the bug out route designated for active surveillance attempts.
If they make the mistake of letting us get that far without tracking, they will not find us.
Once a safe zone has been reached, wait out the active search in the area until it's boundaries are past our location. Proceed to secondary BOL.
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Post by solargeek1 on Mar 25, 2013 16:27:37 GMT -7
Starting in Chicago. I'm with Marc on LOTS of cash (and eventually hunkering down gathering intel but this is the start!) and then I would go to my millions of friends here (all lawyers or paralegals) and ask to stay with one of them. NO way anyone could know who I would pick. 6 million people here and so how would they track that? Not worried they would talk or rat as lawyers are trained to shut up. And we have been friends through thick and thin.
Grab daughter here before we go to ground. Stay at buddies' house in one of Chicago's 700 suburbs, have them rent car for me (giving them cash). Go stock up on food, water (in leaving, took BOB, clothes, -- THIS is where traveling to our BOL each and every week helps as takes 3 minutes to get ready and walk out door - pack maybe some other stuff and dog to board). Get throw away phones for all. Board dog (2 minutes from Chicago condo) with old credit card that I now won't use again. '
Let rest of family know what's up by snail mail. From a different location than where I am staying. Notify cops in both locations. Notify building security in Chicago.
Notify the only person with a key to our BOL to drive by and see if anyone there. With no leaves on trees very easy to spot tire tracks going into driveway.
Go over border to WI and get another gun/s since no way to have one in Chicago legally (now not caring about that but still haven't one here).
Wait it out. Move to next friend's house in 1 week. Make sure they don't know each other. Worked at 3 giant law firms(over 500 + attorneys in 10 states and overseas) and also inhouse. And have just "general" friends also.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 16:49:28 GMT -7
Assuming home is not safe, the vehicles have been tagged, cell phones are of no use do to possibility of being tracked or located from the signal, and people are not trustworthy...My butt is getting out of dodge quick, fast & in a hurry...less than an hour is easy.
I saddle up a horse, fill the saddle packs and head out. This way, if infrared(?) is used, they will see the body of a large livestock animal, not a human wandering around. I would head to one of several existing networks of natural or man made mining cave systems. Many of these travel many many miles, and have emergency caches in them already.
Move silently and literally stay underground as much as possible. Certain points would be viable for coming above ground, "borrowing" someone elses horse and moving on to the next set of caves. Many of these have water available, and it would be easy to use an emergency kit and/or pocket stove to build a small fire suitable for cooking or purifying water.
A good mobile HAM unit would help in monitoring some activities. No need to visit with locals, family or friends. Those that are important know if I am being hunted, it is because our gooberment has gone haywire, since I will not be doing anything illegal or deserving of this kind of treatment. NONE of them have any idea which systems I will be in, and it would be all but impossible for anyone to find me, much less track me.
With the cave system available, I could very easily get out of the local area, if not out of state. In the process, a good haircut, hair & eye color change, face & body prosthetics, accent, etc would make it hard for most anyone on the street to be able to recognise me at a glance or even a second look. With a couple of ID's placed in certain caches, I would be able to move about carefully in small towns away from my local area, to gather certain supplies, and move on as needed above ground.
As much as I would be worried about certain family members, I would not get in touch with them for 2 reasons, I don't want to give my position away and I do not want to put them in danger. I would have to assume my home is permanently out of bounds for me to return to, unless there is a drastic change in the reason I am being hunted. So returning home is not an option.
While on the move, keep in mind that anyone posing a threat to my position must be removed from the equation. No matter who it is.
Everyone knows where I WANT to go...but know one but me has any idea where I would ACTUALLY head to. I have kept it that way for a reason.
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Post by Cwi555 on Mar 25, 2013 16:58:58 GMT -7
I saddle up a horse, fill the saddle packs and head out. This way, if infrared(?) is used, they will see the body of a large livestock animal, not a human wandering around. I've got a ton of money invested in defeating IR and have reached a reasonable level of success. However, for whatever reason I never thought of that one. Brilliant suggestion Dink. All one would have to do is stay low on the horse, Especially if your covered properly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 19:16:30 GMT -7
I saddle up a horse, fill the saddle packs and head out. This way, if infrared(?) is used, they will see the body of a large livestock animal, not a human wandering around. I've got a ton of money invested in defeating IR and have reached a reasonable level of success. However, for whatever reason I never thought of that one. Brilliant suggestion Dink. All one would have to do is stay low on the horse, Especially if your covered properly. Thanks. Glad to be of service.
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Post by kutkota on Mar 25, 2013 20:22:42 GMT -7
I'm at work and only have access on my phone but it sure makes for a good way to pass time while watching heart rhythms. Thank s for giving me something to think on.
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Post by ColcordMama on Mar 25, 2013 20:45:38 GMT -7
So you're at work, Doc. You've suddenly found out you're being hunted. Where and how in your particular workplace do you hide long enough to get out and get away? Or do you go to ground there, and how?
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Post by graf on Mar 26, 2013 4:01:49 GMT -7
For the get out of town I know the schedule of a frieght train within 2 miles of my home. Assuming I'm under heavy survielance I would initiate a heavy distraction and slip into the woods near my home. Early morning while dark hitch on the train and gone, limited supplies would be able to make the trip but confident I could make it work.
Best senario is remove the threat, I don't run away from trouble. Turn the tables and become the hunter instead of the hunted. Remove the head and the rest of the snake will die. Once started there could be no retreat and no regrets.
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Post by marc on Mar 26, 2013 5:54:32 GMT -7
.......................................................................................................... Best senario is remove the threat, I don't run away from trouble. Turn the tables and become the hunter instead of the hunted. Remove the head and the rest of the snake will die. Once started there could be no retreat and no regrets. We all have different responses, but my approach would be to focus on escape and survival until I knew who/what I was up against and what their resources are. Again, just my approach - doesn't mean it's better, except for me. Marc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 6:33:37 GMT -7
.......................................................................................................... Best senario is remove the threat, I don't run away from trouble. Turn the tables and become the hunter instead of the hunted. Remove the head and the rest of the snake will die. Once started there could be no retreat and no regrets. We all have different responses, but my approach would be to focus on escape and survival until I knew who/what I was up against and what their resources are. Again, just my approach - doesn't mean it's better, except for me. Marc That's the way I see it as well. Get out of town, figure out what is going on from afar, then figure out a way to remedy the situation. No telling who or what it is trying to get me, no point in committing suicide by not knowing what I am up against.
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Post by kutkota on Mar 26, 2013 12:32:22 GMT -7
So you're at work, Doc. You've suddenly found out you're being hunted. Where and how in your particular workplace do you hide long enough to get out and get away? Or do you go to ground there, and how? I have roamed the dark halls of the hospital almost every night for this reason aswell as a handful of others. I know the pace counts from any of the locations I typically am to the least obvious exits. I also am one of the few within the hospital that knows what and where we have all of our hazmat "stuff". I thought more on this question than I did the first because of the seperation from family as I am obviously at work and they would be atleast a days walk away at best. Running with minimal gear and safety I could easily make it in a day. With any kind of security/threat assesments it would make for a long full 24-32 hours and that is if I am by my self. Assuming that my car still works and I believe it does in this scenario I would make contact with local family as well as one trusted friend that would die for me and my family without thinking about it and have them round up the family. We would meet at one of several designated positions and asses the threat and any follow on actions. I have a sizeable weapon and security supplies with me at all times and although my wife does not know it she does in her van as well. I can not say what I would do after this point as I have yet to be in this position. I would say that there are some highly skilled men with some very deadly talents that have been welcomed to the group and I think I would have a very tough time atleast attempting to determine the size of the threat and what options that would lead to. I can say with almost absolute certainty that attempting counter attacks and bringing the fight to them would be the last thing on my mind. First and fore most is removing my family and the group as they are now brought into the "action" so to speak from the threat. Initial plans go out the window upon first contact. I have a million first hand accounts backing this up as well as some true blue hero's that are standing well beyond some line that carries more weight than I need to convience me otherwise. We have several rivers as well as major transportation hubs that could be utilized to disappear. Trains, planes, waterways would all be brought into the picture I am assuming and we would attempt to distance our selves from our previous place in life and attempt to regroup. Opinions are like you know what so take any and all comments with a grain of salt, but trapping an enemy with unknown size, strength, ability, and supplies is fool hearty and in my opinion a one way ticket to the morgue. I'll be damned if I make a mistake and my kids and wife have to pay any burden because of it. You have to remove emotion and put your ego and pride in its place which is not where I will be at the moment and make decisions to prolong your lives and evade the threat. Interesting question, it has widened my already open eyes. Thanks CCM
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