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Post by Cwi555 on Mar 26, 2013 13:22:02 GMT -7
A good answer kutkota.
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Post by kutkota on Mar 26, 2013 18:27:45 GMT -7
Thanks. You allowing them to advice past your position is an interesting idea. Allows for ease of movement to a certain degree once past. Good Idea.
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Post by ColcordMama on Mar 26, 2013 20:10:59 GMT -7
Thanks. You allowing them to advice past your position is an interesting idea. Allows for ease of movement to a certain degree once past. Good Idea. That's a classic war tactic. I agree, excellent idea. It's what I'd do, melt into the scenery while making it look like I headed out making mistakes along the way. Then when they're past, make my escape in a direction they'd never expect because they think it's already swept.
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Post by ColcordMama on Mar 26, 2013 20:14:35 GMT -7
Oh and by the way, I think I'd head for the airport, then slip into the long-term parking lot, steal a car that's only been there a day (if I can figure out how, maybe looking on the dashboard at the tix), and use that to make my escape. That should buy me several days before the alarm is raised, while at the same time making it look like I flew away.
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Post by missasip on Mar 27, 2013 9:26:30 GMT -7
Sorry I think I totally missed the OPs idea. Better I stay out of it. Thanks Jimmy
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Post by woodyz on Mar 27, 2013 15:32:57 GMT -7
Alright this is what my whole bug out system is for, so let’s see if we can find holes in it. But if they are going to use infra red and such I am screwed because I feel ok about hiding from airplanes or helicopters and such but electronics will get me.
Introduction: I am starting from home, west central South Carolina, rolling hills, mostly pine forests and 500 acre bean fields, somewhere within a quick hike in any direction is lumber company timber land, unoccupied, maybe a central road or two. Anywhere within a quick hike is a natural water source, lakes, rivers, streams, ponds, swamp. I’m starting in the suburbs, the population is moderate but it follows the roads and is in clusters with lots of unoccupied land in between.
First the go to ground situation. I make one phone call, I say one word. We already have codes and exercises worked out in advance. My BOB is ready at all times it gives me food, water and shelter abilities for 48 hours. It gives me a handgun and 60 rounds. So I change my boots for hiking boots, pickup an 870 shotgun, there are 7 rounds in it and 15 rounds on the sling, ½ OO ½ slugs. I go out the back where I am in the trees immediately, I stop and look around for anything out of place. I walk in the trees ½ mile to a rally point.
Here is where I could wait for others if that was the plan, I can tap a cache for the same 48 hour BOB I took with me if I had left with nothing but what I had on me. I have another pistol and 60 rounds, another shotgun and 20 rounds and a rifle and 100 rounds if I needed it. But all I do here is wait and watch to see if anything is moving, anything out of place, if anyone followed me.
When I feel it is ok I leave a coded message on the message tree. It will tell who ever comes to the rally point and knows the code that I was there, when I left and where I am going. I could go to another rally point, I could go by one of two routes to our primary BOL 22 miles away, but because I am going to ground I go to a predetermined and loaded camp site.
The campsite is a mile and a half walk around the bottom of a ridge. It’s probably a half mile over the ridge, but I have pre-established pinch points where I can watch my back trail from an observation/ambush point on this route.
When I get a hundred yards from the camp site there is another message tree where I look for any messages left because of my phone call and I leave a coded message for anyone coming to the campsite. The campsite is at the back of my property but on timber company land. The timber is thick but the campsite is ¾ of the way up a ridge on a fire break. I can see my house and three directions below me. Over the hill and behind me is timber land for five miles. Everything four people would need for a week of camping is already there. All the tools, tents, pots and pans, food, water, tents and tarps, sleeping bags and hammocks, guns and ammo and extra clothes and boots everything we would want on a camp out. It’s all buried in different cache’s around the site.
But I don’t start digging anything up yet. I put down a ground cloth and a shelter half and hang a hammock. I eat something I don’t have to cook and drinks water while I watch the land below me for anything unusual or any one unusual. And I wait for a visitor I should have just after dark. The message I left on the message tree is going to tell my visitor that I am up there and give him two phrases to great me with. One will mean he is clean and we can talk, the other will mean he is wired or otherwise compromised and we will share a story. This is the person I made the call to he has spent the time trying to find out what the issue is and who the issue is with and what other information we know based on that.
This scenario says I am staying to ground for now, so we finish making our beds for tonight and eat a super we don’t have to cook. We change the message on the tree and watch for anything out of place and sleep. We have walky-talky’s on, but unless there is an emergency message we won’t use them. Any communication at this point would be in simple code.
The night was in the low 30’s with some wind, so weather will be a factor. In the morning we use cooking gel to boil water for instant coffee and hot food. In the morning nothing has changed the decision to go to ground here. So we unpack and set up a camp site with a cooking area, a sleeping area and a sanitation area. Most of it blends in and is hidden behind a brush pile, we won’t need to make a wood fire until we know more.
So depending on the situation I can stay there by myself for a month without needing resupplied. It is very defensible and I can see what might be moving out to 300 yards unless they hike through the trees, then I would have to catch them coming in. There are trip wires that set off either a 12 ga blank, flare or loaded round that will let me know which way to watch.
If the situation drags out or gets worse I would move to the primary BOL and either stay there or go to the get out of dodge location.
Now the get out of town scenario. This starts the same way from the same place. Pickup my BOB, change my boots and pickup a shotgun. I go to one of the rally points to gather my thought, see if anyone follows me and leave a coded message telling who I am, where I went by what route and when I left.
I am not taking any vehicles as they may be watched bugged, etc. I am going to hike to the number 1 bol and have two ways to get there hiking. One route uses the water courses to get there, the other uses the rail road and fire breaks. I have 22 miles to hike using the rail road bed as my route.
I have food and water cache’s every mile, if I don’t need one I won’t bother it. But there are also message trees every mile if I need a coded message or if someone needs to leave me one without coming to me. I have a shelter and firearm cache every five miles so If I need to go slow and camp every five miles I can.
While the railroad bed does cross or run next to a back road now and then most of it is through pine forests.
This BOL is on a U shaped piece of property that sticks out into a very large lake. Only one way to drive in, boat in or a hike only route out through a timber company plot. It’s mostly a wooded ridge with several good meadows and several good streams. Almost 40 acres and I bought it in 1992. I have a year worth of food and a three room cabin with only the porch showing dug into the side of the ridge years ago. I have some very big caches hid on it. When I approach it I will detour to the trail through the timber land and pass where I can see if any boats are pulled up on it as well as watch the cabin. It is very defendable but not my out of town destination. Once I am sure it is unoccupied I will stay there a day or two watching my back trail and waiting for any messages.
A mile from the cabin is a storage complex where I have a pickup truck already loaded to go in a 10x10 unit not in my name. I’ll drive it 60 miles North East on back roads into the middle of a national forest at a much higher elevation. There I have another large camp cache where I can stay six months with what is there and what I brought with me. About 12 miles from the camp cache is another 10x10 storage unit with six months of supplies. Right now those are my options. If things go as planned I will have another place establish in West TN in a couple of years.
But it all depends on who it is after me and their resources. I would be almost impossible to stay hidden if they had resources and a network behind them that had or could do their home work.
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Post by Cwi555 on Mar 27, 2013 15:41:21 GMT -7
Good post Woodzy
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Post by kutkota on Mar 27, 2013 16:18:51 GMT -7
Huh I thought I was prepared. Nice job woodzy
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Post by woodyz on Mar 27, 2013 18:06:55 GMT -7
Thanks! Shoot holes in it if you can. I'm always open to constructive criticism. I've worked on the SC network since 1990, some years more than others. There are other options in SC I didn't mention as well.
I last worked in Bristol TN and I started a series of hides and cache's there before I left on Holston and Watauga lakes. I had bought 3 acre's on the water but left before I could do anything with it.
Maybe I will post a treasure hunt there and give directions to my hides and see if anyone can find them.
Once I get done in Western TN I am looking to do something in the Nantahala National Forest in NC, one the lake,
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