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Post by woodyz on Jan 24, 2014 19:07:49 GMT -7
Maybe a little fancy for some tastes but some good qualities.
Let's see what people here notice that could be improved on. I'll start.
I see a water problem with the main entry, yes the hatch is water proof but you should always prep for getting water into any underground shelter. A quick fix IMHO would have been to run the diagonal steps down past the so call mud room entry, so that you would step up into it about 8" and run a drain pipe like a septic tank pipe under it.
Same on the back entry, water gets in the tube it gets in the shelter.
Or you can dig out around the opening so it is elevated and sandbag around it so water runs on the outside of the tube and not the inside.
The the sandbagging itself is a red flag something is there. Plant some tress/haul in some logs or rock. As it is if you open the hatch its like a flag saying here I am.
Plant a tree at the vent pipe, it is too exposed and says here I am under here.
It looked like the generator was sit on a short platform but if not it needs to have a drain system away from the storage area as well.
That's my .02 what do you see for improvements?
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Post by thywar on Jan 24, 2014 20:32:39 GMT -7
But what is it about. I don't see what you're referring to
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Post by woodyz on Jan 24, 2014 20:55:35 GMT -7
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 25, 2014 6:57:30 GMT -7
Maybe a little fancy for some tastes but some good qualities. Let's see what people here notice that could be improved on. I'll start. I see a water problem with the main entry, yes the hatch is water proof but you should always prep for getting water into any underground shelter. A quick fix IMHO would have been to run the diagonal steps down past the so call mud room entry, so that you would step up into it about 8" and run a drain pipe like a septic tank pipe under it. Same on the back entry, water gets in the tube it gets in the shelter. Or you can dig out around the opening so it is elevated and sandbag around it so water runs on the outside of the tube and not the inside. The the sandbagging itself is a red flag something is there. Plant some tress/haul in some logs or rock. As it is if you open the hatch its like a flag saying here I am. Plant a tree at the vent pipe, it is too exposed and says here I am under here. It looked like the generator was sit on a short platform but if not it needs to have a drain system away from the storage area as well. That's my .02 what do you see for improvements? - The first thing that grabs me is no meter at the entrance. It would sure suck to drop into that hole only to find an Lower explosive limit (LEL), or other IDLH (Immediately dangerous to life and health) atmosphere. Above ground this is less of a concern, but it's a must for something like that
- The visible piping for air is a dead give away. Not hard to choke someone out of that hole given that either.
- Culvert piping won't get it without serious reinforcement.
- Building such a structure for long term bugging out is not viable buried below flat land in that manner.
- In even a small fire, your dead in that bunker. The zinc in that galvanized pipe will gas up and kill you.
- Obvious entry with a horizontal hatch is bad news. 10 seconds with an oxyact torch, or simply some thermite will have you welded into your new coffin.
That's just the first few off the top of my head. Edit, I would sure be hating life trying to enter that thing wounded with a broken leg or other such.
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Post by geron on Jan 25, 2014 7:01:34 GMT -7
I got Claustrophobic just watching the vid. as he entered. But, hay, that's just my problem.
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Post by marc on Jan 25, 2014 8:27:33 GMT -7
I've worked on several deep underground bunker Emergency Operating Centers, the biggest one was for the city of Los Angeles, so I'm somewhat familiar with blast valve designs, air purification/filtration methods, oxygen supplementation. All of my experience was a long time ago, so technology has certainly changed, but the basic needs for sustaining life don't.
The more that I learn, the less desirable a deep underground bunker becomes to me - without massive amounts of money to really do it right. cwi hit it right on the head about it potentially becoming a coffin. Sewage handling, makeup air intake/exhaust, filtration and emergency egress are big enough problems to deal with - let alone someone gassing you out or simply sealing you in.
For me, a bunker would be for quick personal protection from bad weather or bad guys passing through. Like a sturdy storm cellar or safe room. Lock yourself in for a few hours or maybe even push it out to a few days. Beyond that....... nope.
Marc
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Post by Number5 on Jan 25, 2014 8:59:52 GMT -7
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Post by marc on Jan 25, 2014 9:26:00 GMT -7
Not sure what you were going to say, but I can discuss the subject without getting my feelings hurt. Most of my opinions are based my experiences, your experiences may have taught you something different. If you disagree, explain what your thinking is - this is a discussion board where opposing opinions are for learning! Marc
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Post by Number5 on Jan 25, 2014 11:06:21 GMT -7
Sometimes my fingers (and mouth) are faster than my brain. Let's just say I 'm not a fan of underground bunkers. Earth sheltered housing is a diferent story.
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Post by marc on Jan 25, 2014 15:41:30 GMT -7
Sometimes my fingers (and mouth) are faster than my brain. Let's just say I 'm not a fan of underground bunkers. Earth sheltered housing is a diferent story. Been there, done that, have the T shirt. Sometimes it seems like a way of life for me because I tend to speak from the heart and that's not a good thing at times........
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Post by pathwinder14 on Jan 27, 2014 7:23:47 GMT -7
Whole thing sucks.
Ideal place would be a wooded hill top. Bury the bunker there. The trees provide protection and disguise ventilation ports, entrances, escape hatches, etc. Hill top provides ideal 360 degree view without compromising your own safety as much. Think about constant traffic of you and your family. It would look pretty odd to see people popping out of the ground on a regular basis.
Escape hatch is too close to entrance. Escape tunnel should meander for a long ways with several false off shoots. The escape hatch should be surrounded by small woods or several shrubs...again not in a weed covered field. Coming out of the hatch in the video would be a death sentence for anyone being attacked. Too easy to sneak up on the entrance and exits.
Water supply and drainage would be an issue. Waste disposal would be problematic.
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