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Post by thywar on May 10, 2015 19:45:42 GMT -7
As you might expect here in Oklahoma storm shelters are big business. Was reading this article and wondering if any of you have shelters and what type, what's in them and what's the warning you need to go there?
From Tulsa NBC station
Pros, cons of above vs. below ground shelters Russ McCaskey Updated 10:34 AM CDT Storms in Oklahoma are unpredictable, scary and sometimes deadly.
That’s why it’s always important to be prepared. One way to insure safety is to buy a safe room.
But this week massive flooding caused a creek to overflow its banks and water ran into a storm cellar trapping a woman in Bridge Creek.
Another dangerous incident occurred where a cellar popped over, out of the ground, due to flooding.
With those scenarios in mind, it’s important to research each type of safe room before you purchase.
At Southern Safe Rooms in Tulsa they only sell above ground units.
"With ours if the garage collapses and a tree falls in front of a door. The door opens in. You are still up right and you still have the ability to get out."
There are pros and cons of both above and below ground safe rooms.
In-ground cellars can flood or have debris blocking the doors.
Above ground units take up space and some worry they may not withstand flying debris.
To find out more information about each, 2 Works for You traveled to the Texas Tech Wind Research Center.
PHOTO GALLERY - Storm shelters put to the test
The facility in Lubbock, Texas is home to scientists who launch wood and metal to simulate storm damage. The cannon simulates wind at 250 miles per hour.
A storm shelter would be considered a failure if the steel is pushed inward more than three inches.
Researchers say product that withstand this test are considered safe.
Below ground shelters have some flooding concerns for those living near rivers, lakes or creeks.
So, it’s up to you as the buyer to decide which is better for your family.
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Post by woodyz on May 10, 2015 21:22:51 GMT -7
So there you go!
You have not built you house yet
So when you do, you take one corner (maybe southwest) and build you a 7' cube reinforced to the specs they quote, and tied to the foundation, put a twin bed in with a shelf for a 72 hour BOB and a good emergency channel radio.
Then you take all of that North East OK limestone you have everywhere and reinforce the outside of that same corner with it.
And if you got creative the door into it could be a stocked pantry shelf where the whole thing opens and you would have a safe/hide/storm room all in one.
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Post by Georgia Survivor on May 11, 2015 4:42:49 GMT -7
We recently moved into our first home without a basement and decided to go with an above ground, steel shelter. I was to the point of needing a larger firearm safe, so decided to put the money into this shelter instead that now serves two purposes. We have been very satisfied with it and it is probably safer than retreating to our previous basements.
O.G.S.
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Post by Cwi555 on May 11, 2015 6:29:50 GMT -7
Building an above ground vs a below ground shelter isn't technically difficult. Expensive yes, technically no. The 3" deflection criteria is mostly arbitrary and based off of standard structural steels such as A572/A36 grades 50/60 and up. It assumes the deflection based on the properties of those steels. Anyone expecting them to make an ideal shelter is expecting what could never be.
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Post by missasip on May 11, 2015 6:44:58 GMT -7
Spent many hours in my Great grandmother's storm shelter as a kid in Wellington, TX. She had it built in the late '40s. 3 bunk beds. One light bulb, many oil lamps, can food and about 100 puzzles! It was half in ground, half out. Reinforced concrete.
Jimmy
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Post by cajunlady87 on May 11, 2015 8:22:32 GMT -7
I always thought if I had the chance to build one in my area I'd make it above ground covered with dirt, something like the Hobbit homes. But I have to say I am intrigued by Missasip's grandma's design. Thanks for sharing that with us.
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Post by woodyz on May 11, 2015 14:32:05 GMT -7
My GrandMother had been in some really bad tornados in her youth and she was scared to death of them and snakes. Souther MO,KS,IL and North OK, tornado ally.
Fram was in KS, their house in town was in Chanute but Chanute sets in a big low spot and 90% of tornadoes jump over it. The farm was up on a hill. So they had several small tanks/ponds they kept stocked with fish, but they were too far from the house.
Then they had an acre garden, also too far from the house.
She wouldn't go to either place until she had some place to get to quick.
Since at that time he worked for Texaco Pipeline he was able to get some 8' diameter 10' sections of heavy wall pipe. It came in halves so you had this 10' long 4' C. He found a spot he liked close to the ponds and garden and on a slight slope to the N or NE. He dozed out into the slope 5' wide and 3' deep at the front. Put down a slab with 2 short wall tied to the slab, but the 4' C over it and covered them over with dirt, built a pipe frame across the front with a steel door and had an instant storm shelter.
They had four of them on the place so anywhere they were they could get to one of them.
And on the plus side they also made excellent root cellars and storage for all the canning they did every year from the acre garden.
When my GrandFather died and my Uncle took over the place he kept the one at the tanks and garden but tore out the front on two of them, replaced it with a stock panel and used them for calf shelters.
Bottom line look for some old rail road storage locations or where a highway repair or pipeline builder or old mine works and you may fine some large pipe halves or other metal structure you can buy for scrap and use for shelter. Cover it with them NE OK limestone rocks and you can build a shelter pretty quick and cheap.
And while I am thinking about it because he had them everywhere those free limestone rocks make dang good corner fence posts or pillars.
use wire and make the shape you want sq rd oblong any shape
now fill the wire form with rocks
you can dam/divert a stream while its running
a 2' circle 4' high makes a fence post that won't give
+ no digging required
if you want to throw a little clay or even some sakrete you can it you want finish the visible surfaces with sakrete or morter
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Post by Cwi555 on May 11, 2015 14:42:39 GMT -7
Don't overlook old dump trucks in a salvage yard. The bed of those things turned upside down make a good start. Especially the ones with the hardox label on them. Many are unaware of that material, but it's super tough.
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Post by woodyz on May 14, 2015 16:50:38 GMT -7
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Post by geron on May 14, 2015 17:28:17 GMT -7
I'm going to stay above ground and long as I'm alive . . . it's a psychological thing . . . Just sayin'
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Post by olebama on May 18, 2015 19:42:45 GMT -7
We use a flatsafe. www.flatsafe.comThe first minute of the video on the site is telling you tornado stories. Start at minute one. cut concrete floor in garage. Dug down. Installed below ground. the car straddles the "pit". The door slides to open, so the door slides between the car tires. The door is supposed to still open with 2 tons of weight on it.
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Post by olebama on May 21, 2015 17:12:53 GMT -7
You can also work on the underside of the car from it.
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