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Post by woodyz on Jul 4, 2016 16:23:37 GMT -7
www.amazon.com/Eberlestock-CONDOR-UNIVERSAL-HOLSTER/dp/B014LBUUA8This thing works as a belt holster all by itself but that's not why you need it. I have these things everywhere.  Put the pistol on it with the barrel on the long run. Lay it oriented to the opposite of how you want it when you grab it.  Fold the arms over  For this application you pull the stretch cord over the butt and over the end of the barrel  Turn it over and this side mates to a strip of Velcro you have stuck any where under a table or desk, on the backside of a closet/any door, inside the closet right above the door you get the idea anywhere its handy this has never turned loose on me, even with a full sized 1911, yet its easy to pull free just sayin'
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Post by missasip on Jul 4, 2016 16:55:01 GMT -7
I have a couple of them. They come with the range bags alot of times. They are pretty cool for working up retrieval setups.
Jimmy
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Post by thywar on Jul 4, 2016 18:35:25 GMT -7
Hmmmmm
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Post by caveman on Dec 30, 2018 4:42:51 GMT -7
Issue is, Velcro makes a distinctive noise when using. Personal experience would be to try and stay away from it. Everything has its used, just remember stealth is often times more important. It could save your life or help in losing it.
Watch your six.
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Post by Cwi555 on Dec 31, 2018 13:59:25 GMT -7
Issue is, Velcro makes a distinctive noise when using. Personal experience would be to try and stay away from it. Everything has its used, just remember stealth is often times more important. It could save your life or help in losing it. Watch your six. You have a point, but I believe it would be dependent upon the situation. If the threat is already aware of your presence, stealth is already out the window. That applies to most legal shoot situations on the street. If it's in your home or other similar location, the opposite is true. Making a threat aware of you by the velcro sound could turn the situation against you. Given what resides within reach of my bed, and most points in the house, it's a moot point for me. |
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Post by crashdive123 on Jan 1, 2019 4:29:50 GMT -7
Depending on where you use it, the shock cord retention is not needed and it can be drawn quietly.
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Post by caveman on Jan 25, 2019 6:10:09 GMT -7
Issue is, Velcro makes a distinctive noise when using. Personal experience would be to try and stay away from it. Everything has its used, just remember stealth is often times more important. It could save your life or help in losing it. Watch your six. You have a point, but I believe it would be dependent upon the situation. If the threat is already aware of your presence, stealth is already out the window. That applies to most legal shoot situations on the street. If it's in your home or other similar location, the opposite is true. Making a threat aware of you by the velcro sound could turn the situation against you. Given what resides within reach of my bed, and most points in the house, it's a moot point for me. But, if the forces(s) near you (In your residence) are trying to get a location on you, you have now given up your element of surprise. In most situations it is best to not open your can until you are fully ready to eat. Stealth is almost always better. |
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 25, 2019 9:26:03 GMT -7
You have a point, but I believe it would be dependent upon the situation. If the threat is already aware of your presence, stealth is already out the window. That applies to most legal shoot situations on the street. If it's in your home or other similar location, the opposite is true. Making a threat aware of you by the velcro sound could turn the situation against you. Given what resides within reach of my bed, and most points in the house, it's a moot point for me. But, if the forces(s) near you (In your residence) are trying to get a location on you, you have now given up your element of surprise. In most situations it is best to not open your can until you are fully ready to eat. Stealth is almost always better. I'm not tracking what you're saying here. How does not making any noise (velcro or otherwise) give up the element of surprise? |
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Post by caveman on Jan 27, 2019 6:38:43 GMT -7
But, if the forces(s) near you (In your residence) are trying to get a location on you, you have now given up your element of surprise. In most situations it is best to not open your can until you are fully ready to eat. Stealth is almost always better. I'm not tracking what you're saying here. How does not making any noise (velcro or otherwise) give up the element of surprise? My apologies,[ forgive my generic verbage] so, you are in your safe area after some catastrophe has occurred and the back window (door, etc.)breaks. You are not sure how many are climbing through or what avenue may be breached next. Is this a probing scenario? Waiting a minute or more may give you a better idea of what is actually going on. The distinctive tearing of Velcro, racking of a shotgun, yelling gives away your location, possibly numbers if multiple tears, racks are observed by opposing forces. Are you alone? Do you have kids there? I understand that there is a time to let yourself be known, but the element of surprise is most notably a key to survival. For example, I have personally observed where the small amount of Velcro on a knife sheeth has ruined the element of surprise on the initial entering of an area. If all you have makes noise to use the tool it may be a good idea to get something before it is needed that can be used silently. And, how are you trained on that tool. Murphy's law-in the heat of adrenalin will you actively seek the best tool from the best holder? |
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 27, 2019 22:00:54 GMT -7
I'm not tracking what you're saying here. How does not making any noise (velcro or otherwise) give up the element of surprise? My apologies,[ forgive my generic verbage] so, you are in your safe area after some catastrophe has occurred and the back window (door, etc.)breaks. You are not sure how many are climbing through or what avenue may be breached next. Is this a probing scenario? Waiting a minute or more may give you a better idea of what is actually going on. The distinctive tearing of Velcro, racking of a shotgun, yelling gives away your location, possibly numbers if multiple tears, racks are observed by opposing forces. Are you alone? Do you have kids there? I understand that there is a time to let yourself be known, but the element of surprise is most notably a key to survival. For example, I have personally observed where the small amount of Velcro on a knife sheeth has ruined the element of surprise on the initial entering of an area. If all you have makes noise to use the tool it may be a good idea to get something before it is needed that can be used silently. And, how are you trained on that tool. Murphy's law-in the heat of adrenalin will you actively seek the best tool from the best holder? Despite the cliche movie skit of racking a shotgun, only someone who has watched one too many movies would bring an unloaded weapon to a gunfight. A shotgun without one in the chamber is unloaded. It might make a 'cool' movie scene, but the reality is something entirely different. If anyone breaks the plane of this house unwanted (intruder), they are bought and paid for in my mind. That btw, isn't an easy task. I engineered and built this place with that in mind. Part of that engineering was to utilize upgraded hurricane windows. www.pella.com/features-options/hurricaneshield/Pella for instance rates theirs for a 2x4 at 50fps. Ours are rated higher than that. We also have hardened the frames, doors and windows alike. The walls are reinforced concrete as well. Those are a few things, obviously I won't mention everything. That is before we get to electronic components of security. Most site built homes can be at least partially hardened, just upgrading the frames and glass goes a long way. Those upgrades not only increase security, they can increase the energy efficiency of the average stick home. Which is something that can help pay for the upgrades in the long run. It also reduces cost of maintenance. Other upgrades can further reduce energy cost while increasing security. Having said that, I also recognize there is no such animal as impregnable, but you can make it very difficult. The idea being to avoid the necessity of killing an intruder. If they go through the trouble anyway, then they forfeit their life. No court in TN is going to find fault with that logic. In the end, with the life I've lead, the number of times I've been injured, the probability that I go before my wife is high. That more than anything was the motivation for putting up the extra coin for this place. When I'm gone, or even incapacitated as was recent history, she can easily defend herself here. |
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