'Feebs' going back to 9mm

[thywar]

Twicebitten sent this article to me. Interesting. It says 70-80% of shots fired in self defense miss. If that was me shooting I'd believe it or higher. The FBI missing that many tells you it's not as easy as it appears. Food for thought.

www.gunsamerica.com/blog/fbi-awards-glock-with-85-million-contract-for-9mm-pistols/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20160708_FridayDigest_37g&utm_campaign=/blog/fbi-awards-glock-with-85-million-contract-for-9mm-pistols/

[missasip]

Jul 8, 2016 6:53:53 GMT -7 thywar said:

Twicebitten sent this article to me. Interesting. It says 70-80% of shots fired in self defense miss. If that was me shooting I'd believe it or higher. The FBI missing that many tells you it's not as easy as it appears. Food for thought.

www.gunsamerica.com/blog/fbi-awards-glock-with-85-million-contract-for-9mm-pistols/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=20160708_FridayDigest_37g&utm_campaign=/blog/fbi-awards-glock-with-85-million-contract-for-9mm-pistols/

Hmmmmm....and someone said don't worry about aiming....

Jimmy

[woodyz]

Reading the report reminded me of something I forgot to post before

If you are going to carry +P or ++P or hollow points over solid, 124 instead of 115, etc.

Then you need to practice with that round

Most people I know will practice with the cheapest ammo they have, then carry the most expensive

Try it some time, shoot five rounds with the ammo you practice the most with, then use the same aim point and shoot five rounds with the ammo you carry

you will see what I mean

I am not saying all of your practice needs to be with the expensive rounds, just that you need to shoot enough of them that you can make an adjustment when needed

two

buy some freezer paper and draw a man sized torso on it and use that for a target, if you get used to shooting bulls eyes the first thing you will look for is a red circle

and shoot some at 50 yards, The FBI practices at 7/15/25 then tries to shoot at 40 - 70.

three

stop practicing with your body set and head on to the target, move around pull and fire while walking side ways or backward and off balance,

four

get someone to distract you while you are shooting, I shoot a gun off behind someone while they are concentrating on the target, I shoot my guys with a paint gun while they are on the line, use caution in this as a distracted shooter can send a round the wrong way. Case in point the boy shot by his Father recently when a hot case went down his shirt

five

practice practice practice there is no substitute for muscle memory and shot placement

[thywar]

mmmmm....and someone said don't worry about aiming -Missasip

And I stand by that statement. If you draw and take the time to aim in a self defense situation I think you out yourself in a bad situation. In the academy we NEVER aimed, you draw, you shoot six, reload six, shoot six more. All 12 rounds had to be in the target within 30 seconds.

At 15 yds you shouldn't have to aim if you've practiced enough.
And yes I know you're giving me a hard time. Lol

[woodyz]

muscle memory has to take the place of aiming

but only out to about 15 yards

out past that you have to aim and breath and focus

and if possible you have to clear the background

[Cwi555]

Jul 8, 2016 8:02:33 GMT -7 woodyz said:

Reading the report reminded me of something I forgot to post before

If you are going to carry +P or ++P or hollow points over solid, 124 instead of 115, etc.

Then you need to practice with that round

Most people I know will practice with the cheapest ammo they have, then carry the most expensive

Try it some time, shoot five rounds with the ammo you practice the most with, then use the same aim point and shoot five rounds with the ammo you carry

you will see what I mean

I am not saying all of your practice needs to be with the expensive rounds, just that you need to shoot enough of them that you can make an adjustment when needed

two

buy some freezer paper and draw a man sized torso on it and use that for a target, if you get used to shooting bulls eyes the first thing you will look for is a red circle

and shoot some at 50 yards, The FBI practices at 7/15/25 then tries to shoot at 40 - 70.

three

stop practicing with your body set and head on to the target, move around pull and fire while walking side ways or backward and off balance,

four

get someone to distract you while you are shooting, I shoot a gun off behind someone while they are concentrating on the target, I shoot my guys with a paint gun while they are on the line, use caution in this as a distracted shooter can send a round the wrong way. Case in point the boy shot by his Father recently when a hot case went down his shirt

five

practice practice practice there is no substitute for muscle memory and shot placement

My practice is 5/7/25/50 for 9mm. I carry factory +p+ federal 9BPLE 115 grain (aka hydroshock) which pushes 1375 fps out of my 17's. I do practice with WWB but also load lower cost FMJ to those same specs for practice as well.

The only time that differs is for 9mm carbine training. For it the ranges are 50/75/125. The BC difference in the bullets matter at and beyond 50. For that I practice with L7A1 and 9BPLE.

[USCGME2]

Feds went back to 9mm because who ever controls the $$$ gets paid for granting the contract to Baretta, Glock or whomever. Probably have an ammo deal in there too. It's classic kickbacks and happens everyday on the Hill. The justification for it comes after the fact. Not knocking the 9mm. I have a Browning HP that is a dream to shoot and I love it. Just knocking the govt process is all. Reynolds's Wrap shinny side up!