tyrswill
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Post by tyrswill on Jul 19, 2012 16:05:09 GMT -7
Hello all first a little back ground on me I was in the Sheriffs Reserve for 2 years that was all most 20 years ago then i did 8 years with the NG and have been in Security for the last 13 years I have been a licensed PI for the last 4 years so i have been around all typs of guns well now for the QUESTION over all the years i have shoot a few 1911s and my wife and son carry one I on the other hand have all ways carried Double Actions in ether .40SW or .45ACP never have i carried a a Single Action so what is the best way to carry with out blowing off my leg one in the pipe cocked and locked or empty chamber I was all ways taught if there was not one in the pipe it was the same as an empty gun my wife and son carry theirs chamber empty any and all help in this transaction would be very helpful thanks. PS. I love my new 1911 Attachments:
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Post by WILL on Jul 19, 2012 16:24:23 GMT -7
They're designed to be carried in condition one, cocked and locked. That means one in the pipe with the safety on. The grip safety prevents the gun from discharging even if the thumb safety is off. In other words, you pretty much have to be holding the gun and pulling the trigger at the same time for it to go off. Still, with the latest factory fashion being oversized ambi-safetys, I do things differently. I've looked down more than once and seen my oversized ambi-safety was somehow inadvertently switched off from some incidental contact. Nothing ever happened thanks to the grip safety, but it was still disconcerting. I had a bone stock, right handed safety put on my Kimber by a gunsmith, and haven't had a problem since. It actuates easy enough, but stays where it's supposed to be. I think John Browning got the thumb safety right, and it should be left in stock form unless you’re a competitive shooter. I would also suggest a holster that covers the trigger and has an under the hammer strap to keep the gun from riding up and out. I had one of those minimalist strap holsters and it was a bad choice. I'd go for something like this.... www.desantisholster.com/store/SEARCH-BY-GUN-MANUFACTURER/COLT/GOVERNMENT-MODEL-45cal/BELT-HOLSTERS/Cocked--Locked-Thumb-Break-Scabbard |
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Post by Sctr22 on Jul 19, 2012 16:50:48 GMT -7
Agree with Will. Chambered, Cocked, Locked. I never carried it any other way. Mine of course didn't have an ambi-safety and my leather holster covered the thumb safety. Never once had it move on me.
I always told friends, if you're not going to carry a 1911 condition one...buy a different gun to carry.
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tyrswill
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Post by tyrswill on Jul 19, 2012 17:11:38 GMT -7
I forgot to add it came with a BlackHawk SERPA CQC Holster and thanks for the feed back
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Post by Sctr22 on Jul 20, 2012 0:05:38 GMT -7
Well my own $0.02 would be...if you're right handed I wouldn't worry too much about it. A lot with a 1911, or just about any firearm is training. You train on the use of that firearm and you should be just fine. The one in your picture has a right handed thumb safety. In a right handed holster, I personally think there's little that will actuate it aside from you...and there's always the grip safety. If you're left handed, I vote getting a dedicated lefty thumb safety to replace it. If you really want an ambi-safety, try to get one that isn't so...oversized, as some come presently. I tend to think that if the safety isn't on the outside of your body, there's less chance to accidentally rub against something and actuate it. Of course, as with any gun I know...if nothings touching the trigger, it shouldn't go bang. If it does, that a whole new issue.
As far as the SERPA...some love me, some hate em. The biggest complaint I hear is the possibility of debris getting lodged in the release button...which, well, keeps you from fully depressing the button and actually releasing the firearm. I have never owned one, so that info is not first hand from me.
I agree with what you said in your OP. An un-chambered semi is about as useful as an unloaded semi. I doubt anyone will wait for you to chamber the first round so you can shoot them. I personally view most striker fired weapons, such as a glocks, that are chambered as condition one. The striker is already in the ready to be fired position, you may not see the "hammer" cocked, but it is. (I know...not a hammer, just saying). That being said, if you aren't comfortable with it, use a different weapon to carry. Nothing wrong with that.
If you do carry it...and you mentioned you carried a lot of DA semi's in the past...be sure to run a bunch of drills at the range where you unholster, remove safety, fire, replace safety, and reholster. Having that safety on, and putting it back on needs to be second nature. You don't want to be in the heat and forget to remove the safety...and at the same time, you don't want to forget to put it back on.
That's just my honest opinion though...
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Post by woodyz on Jul 20, 2012 0:15:09 GMT -7
Agree with Will. Chambered, Cocked and Locked. Carried that way for 30 years. I carry the Beretta now hammer down with the safety disengaged. I wish it would cock and lock.
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Post by karatediver on Jul 20, 2012 8:47:37 GMT -7
I carry chambered, locked, and cocked with the safety on. John Moses Browning designed a fantastic firearm. As long as it is in good working condition and you haven't taken the dremel tool to it you will have no problems.
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Post by USCGME2 on Jul 20, 2012 19:57:55 GMT -7
I personally carry my Glock 22 for the simple reason I have had it on me the better part of 10 years now and is my civilian job duty weapon. Pull and fire - no safeties to get in the way. That said, I just got my Kimber a little while back and LOVE IT! It is the best shooting handgun I have owned and if I were to carry it, locked cocked and safety on would be the order of the day. What I have found is that when Im shooting my 45 I am so used to the Glock that I forget all about the safety and have to correct myself. This I dont want to do when time is of the essence! So the previous post is 100% right about the drawing drills.
Ergo, my Glock is my wife thats with me most of the time; the Kimber...my mistress that gets 'special' range time! ;D
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Post by alex on Jul 21, 2012 19:02:32 GMT -7
I carried my 1911 C & L for years until I got my Glock 22. It is also as worthless as a tennis ball unless there's one in the hole. My 22 is always "C & L". Yesterday I was showing a buddy my new tungsten guide rod in my 22 and upholstered it, unloaded it and then proceeded to break the 22 down. His comment was "you carry loaded"...my comment was "why wouldn't you??" It all breaks down to the training you've had and what you feel safe with. Around my house...all have been trained that all guns are loaded and are worthless otherwise. The 1911 is a great platform and I've never had any problem even with an abmi safety but that could have been due to my type of carry.
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Post by swamprat1 on Jul 22, 2012 11:29:34 GMT -7
Man you got me itching for another 1911. Wish I had never sold mine. Once you get used to that serpa you'll love it. A few of our guys had them and I got to try one out. The rest of us were issued safariland holsters (not for .45, but for Beretta 9mm), which is not a bad holster either. After a couple days of practice you should be fairly quick with it.
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tyrswill
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Post by tyrswill on Jul 22, 2012 12:03:48 GMT -7
THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP AND IDEAS AND LIKE ALL WAYS I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO PRACTICE AND WORK I DO HOW EVER WISH I WOULD HAVE HAD ONE OF THEME TO START WITH ALL THOSE YEARS AGO BUT MY FINANCES WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR IT SO NOW AFTER LONG TIME LOOKING I HAVE A GI 1911 A1 AND I THINK IM GOING TO KEEP IT STOCK IT LOOKS JUST LIKE IT JUST WALKED OF THE BATTLE FIELD IN WW2 AGAIN THANKS FOR ALL THE IN PUT
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