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Post by Nicodemus on Nov 4, 2012 6:56:04 GMT -7
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Post by marc on Dec 4, 2012 19:34:34 GMT -7
I'm generally not in hurry to buy a product that the seller goes out of his/her way to avoid exposing the ingredients..............
Lots of glittering generalities and general claims, but I just wanted to know what it is. Maybe I missed something glaringly obvious under the "Features and Specifications" section? Or maybe I need to wade through a bunch of customer submitted FAQ's, where it seems to be a bleach like product.
Marc
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Post by kutkota on Dec 4, 2012 19:43:26 GMT -7
Not sure it is anything earth shattering. The EPA study they cite is just an abstract not a peer reviewed article so it is basically taking the word of the seller. Sodium hypochlorite Is similar to bleach and bleach can be used for many other tasks. If you buy some lets us know the results.
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Post by onidah on Dec 4, 2012 23:33:45 GMT -7
The length of time that it "preserves" water is completely irrelevant. If there is nothing in your stored water after even one week and the structural integrity of the container remains intact, there will be nothing nasty in it one, five, ten, or even 50 years down the road. Contaminants don't just magically appear over time while the container sits there (with the exception of possible contaminants leaching from the material that the container is made of - something that even this magic water preserver wouldn't be able to prevent). Use the best water source that you can. Put it in the cleanest container you can. Treat it with some regular (unscented) plain bleach. Seal it up. It will be just fine. Don't waste your money on fancy water preservers. Onidah
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Post by Nicodemus on Dec 9, 2012 4:35:31 GMT -7
The length of time that it "preserves" water is completely irrelevant. If there is nothing in your stored water after even one week and the structural integrity of the container remains intact, there will be nothing nasty in it one, five, ten, or even 50 years down the road. Contaminants don't just magically appear over time while the container sits there (with the exception of possible contaminants leaching from the material that the container is made of - something that even this magic water preserver wouldn't be able to prevent). Use the best water source that you can. Put it in the cleanest container you can. Treat it with some regular (unscented) plain bleach. Seal it up. It will be just fine. Don't waste your money on fancy water preservers. Onidah Thanks Onidah, exactly what this guy on Amazon.com is saying. 1.0 out of 5 stars Not worth the bother, November 16, 2010 By Papadoc1000 "Papadoc1000" (Charlotte, NC) - See all my reviewsThis review is from: 55 Gallon Water Preserver Concentrate 5 Year Emergency Disaster Preparedness, Survival Kits, Emergency Water Storage, Earthquake, Hurricane, Safety Having dealt with these chemicals for 35+ years in a variety of water treatment applications, it is my considered opinion that there is value to the product, but it really isn't worth the bother and it is incredibly expensive for what you get, and there is a strong element of risk. You will find much more benefit from cheaper and more common treatment methods without worrying whether if what you have is fresh or will work. The trick to what they are talking about is to kill off the pathogens, and then store the water in such a way that it is not possible to introduce new pathogens. Keep water in an airtight container and out of the sun, and you've prevented it from being recontaminated. It is your water storage method that does this, not this or any other product. Any product that would itself keep your water pathogen-free for 5 years without these storage procedures would be so toxic that you couldn't drink it. That said, sodium hypocholorite works. It also actually is household bleach (go look at your Clorox bottle), and it really doesn't matter if they put a stabilizer in it or not. Sodium hypo is most stable at 5.25% (household bleach strength). It will be at strength for a year or more if left cool and in the dark and it will be close to that strength for several more years. A half cup of bleach in 55 gals of clean and clear water will do the job. Seal the water and store it. Done! Doing it this way will also keep your water drinkable for 5-10 years. If this product needs stabilizers in it, it's because their bleach has a shorter shelf life or because they are using it as a marketing gimmick. My concern however, is that stabilizers also add another chemical to what you are drinking. Using cyanurates (for example) works to stabilize a 7-8% bleach, but it has also been identified as a carcinogen in high quantities. Keeping water safely doesn't require stabilizers. It just requires sanitizing it once and storing it properly... something you have to do with or without this product. The only reason to have stabilizers is if the product itself is unstable. If that's the case, that would concern me because products that break down often form other really nasty contaminants and are largely unpredictable if they are ingested. Normal bleach is not that unstable that stabilizers are necessary. Unfortunately, this manufacturer doesn't tell us what stabilizers are in it, why they have to be in it, or what the health risks are. Essentially, they are telling us, 'Here's some stuff to drink, we are not offering you any analysis of our claims or ingredient list, but drink it anyway.' I am not suggesting that it is unhealthy, but there is nothing here but your own inference that it is safe. Do yourself a favor and keep a couple gallons of bleach around the house, and if you are concerned about something more, go invest in a quart of 40% pool algaecide. Choose the one with the ingredient n-alkyl dimethyl benzyl ammonium chloride. It sounds nasty but you deal with it every day in very low doses in commercial kitchens, bathrooms, locker rooms, and pools. A .06% is health department certified to kill off all pathogens, which means that a quart of 40% will create 650 quarts of disinfectant, and you can use 1 qt of that to treat 55 gallons of water. That is far more than you will ever use for water consumption, so keep the rest around to spray down surfaces and kill bacteria, molds, and mildew. It's used a lot in gymnasiums on hard surfaces to wipe out athlete's foot fungus and other sources of infection and smell. As for the smell, it leaves kind of an almond scent behind. Such products as the ones I'm talking about have also undergone extensive testing before being deployed and authorized for use in pool water that can be drunk and around food products. The description of this product bears no such claim.
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Post by geron on Dec 9, 2012 4:45:32 GMT -7
The water purifier that I really miss is the old Polar Pure Iodine crystals. The Wonderful State of California has prohibited the company from selling www.polarequipment.com/www.polarequipment.com/directions.htmThink I got about 3 bottles of the stuff before California exercised their Massive Brain Power.
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Post by onidah on Dec 13, 2012 20:41:58 GMT -7
The water purifier that I really miss is the old Polar Pure Iodine crystals. The Wonderful State of California has prohibited the company from selling www.polarequipment.com/www.polarequipment.com/directions.htmThink I got about 3 bottles of the stuff before California exercised their Massive Brain Power. Just get some more iodine crystals and put them in your bottles (or just use a different bottle and a dropper to avoid getting the crystals themselves - which sink to the bottom of the container - into the water you are trying to treat) when you run out. There was nothing magical about Polar Pure's iodine crystals. I was using iodine crystals for water treatment long before I heard about Polar Pure. The nice thing Polar Pure brought to the equation was the bottle with the screen that keeps the crystals from coming out of the bottle. Lots of folks sell iodine crystals on eBay or they can be purchased from other places online. What you are looking for are iodine crystals or Resublimated Iodine Crystals. Get the prilled (pelletized) ones if you don't want to have to worry about small particles and dust. Just don't buy too large of quantities, since it is apparently an ingredient for making meth and you don't want to end up on the DEA's radar. Onidah
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Post by geron on Dec 14, 2012 5:51:07 GMT -7
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Post by Lawdog2705 on Dec 14, 2012 6:41:47 GMT -7
The water purifier that I really miss is the old Polar Pure Iodine crystals. The Wonderful State of California has prohibited the company from selling www.polarequipment.com/www.polarequipment.com/directions.htmThink I got about 3 bottles of the stuff before California exercised their Massive Brain Power. So, should I us bleach or iodine or both when wanting to purify my water? Also, I saw yesterday, some bleach tablets. I've never seen these before and thought they would be great for storage but, they don't tell you the equivalent of each/one tablet per gallon of water. They would definitely be easier to carry if needed to!
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Post by onidah on Dec 14, 2012 19:23:29 GMT -7
Iodine and chlorine have similar chemical properties (they are both halogens), so there is no need to use both. One or the other will work just fine.
What type of "bleach" tablets are you specifically referring to?
Onidah
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Post by oldcoothillbilly on Dec 28, 2012 16:27:44 GMT -7
I just use the cal hypo powder. Carry it in a 1/2 inch pvc tube. Use the cap ta measure with.
Also, I just mix some up an use that fer my storage water. I add an mix till I get about 3.5 parts per million. It's gonna smell like clorine, but ya can fix that by lettin it sit a bit in the sun er pourin from one container ta another till the smell be gone.
One packet a cal hypo will treat upta 10000 gallons a water fer generally less en 5 bucks.
Store my water in black food grade buckets, sterilized before I fell em. Put a o ring gasket lid on an yer set ta go. I check mine bout once a year to make sure it still be good.
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