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Post by wtrfwlr on Dec 24, 2012 10:09:00 GMT -7
One of the fellas I took duck hunting yesterday has a pistol that he is trying to identify. I was hoping that one of the gun experts here may be able to help him out?   |
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Post by Cwi555 on Dec 24, 2012 14:16:47 GMT -7
One of the fellas I took duck hunting yesterday has a pistol that he is trying to identify. I was hoping that one of the gun experts here may be able to help him out? Someone would be hard pressed to identify it off of those pictures. Could you write down any and all markings? Especially the barrel and under the butt of the gun? |
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Post by wtrfwlr on Dec 24, 2012 14:27:15 GMT -7
Yes, sorry I'm getting this all second hand from him and he not really a "gun guy." Here is what he has been able to gather so far.
An early one - a shield with saltire couped (shortened diagonal cross - in this case, maybe a representation of crossed rifles) surmounted by a crown.
Things get weird here, because the guns have it even though the books don't. Antaris describes it as so - "Early Eibar House Proof. Mark of admission to proof. Used from December 14, 1929 - July 9, 1931". Wirnsberger describes it as a mark used before 1923 on breechloading under-lever shotguns, and describes a nearly identical mark only as a "Mark used by Eibar proof house" between December 14, 1929 and July 9, 1931. But it unquestionably appears on auto pistols made before 1929. And so far as I've seen, it invariably appears with the "P.V." stamp. So it is pre-1931.
This is it as far as dating and stamp. I still dont know the gun.
The "early" triad. The photo is none too clear - sorry about that, but it's the best specimen I have lying around. The stamps are, from left to right, STAMP 3, STAMP 5 (the mysterious P.V.), and STAMP 1 (the lion rampant). Guns with this triad would also use the lion rampant as the single proof elsewhere on the gun.
I found someone online that has one just like it. This is what they said about theirs. Mine has all the same stuff. He is asking online what it is. No responses yet.
"Spain" stamped in frame just above right side grip, 32 caliber, 5-shot, "split frame" ?, double-action, 6-pointed star at top of grips, logo looks like a bull on left side of barrel and cylinder and left side of frame with what could be a "coat-of-arms" and a PN with a lightning bolt beside it no serial numbers
I didnt realize "Spain" until I read this. It even has the italics. I dont see a bull but something is there where he describes it. His said "made in spain" Mine just says Spain. He said he inherited it from his Grandmother.
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Post by mrmike on Dec 24, 2012 14:33:52 GMT -7
Looks like an Iver Johnson 32, but the Iver Johnsons have owls on the grips not snow flakes. S&W made small caliber revolvers just like these as well, with the S&W logo where the snow flake is, as did US Revolvers. I wonder if its some sort of service piece.
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Post by mrmike on Dec 24, 2012 14:48:45 GMT -7
Spain makes a lot of knock off guns and copys. I had 1911 chambered 9mm once made by "star" This could be a Spanish copy of an Iver or S&W perhaps.
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Post by Cwi555 on Dec 24, 2012 14:50:47 GMT -7
Unless I am mistaken, it's a 32/20 manufactured by 'garate, anitua y Cia of eibar' for both the spanish foreign legion and the french foreign legion for use in the Rif war between spain/france vs republic of the rif (northern morocco)
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Post by wtrfwlr on Dec 24, 2012 15:18:04 GMT -7
Thanks for the help. I'll let him know. It's just a decoration not at all shootable.
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Post by mud on Dec 24, 2012 19:24:45 GMT -7
My dad had a Star and it was a fantastic shooter. I would have guessed a 32 or a 32-20 as it looks similar to one my uncle had but no idea what make and model, sorry I cannot help more than that
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