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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 5, 2013 11:07:47 GMT -7
Ahh, this oughta be another wonderfully entertaining battle to watch. Not only ban the sale and ownership of certain weapons but the Fed. is going to DICTATE which products American manufacturing can produce.Read more: survivalbunker.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=guns&thread=3611&page=2#42402#ixzz2H7jKRxlSThe government long ago set the precedence that it can ban the production of certain items, in the name of public health, 'fair' trade, the environment, homeland security, and a host of other reasons. Take a stroll down to your local supply store and check on incandescent light bulbs. Those are on the way out. 100 watt versions already died. January 1, 2013: Goodbye to standard 75-watt incandescents. January 1, 2014: Goodbye to standard 60- and 40-watt incandescents. One near and dear to your heart duck are the bans of certain configurations of cars. Try getting a Nissan Skyline in this country without 50 grand of retrofits. I was about to make another post regarding another vehicle. You will love that one. It's regarding the volkswagon blue motion 1.6tdi which is banned from sale in the U.S. You can only get it in Europe. Bottom line, there are many incidence of the government screwing us and manufacturing.
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Post by USCGME2 on Jan 5, 2013 16:16:03 GMT -7
ITs the hypocricy of it all that gets me  . They want to ban guns from the good citizens but give them to cartels - 2000 untraceable ones at that. Ban guns but, by GOD, be protected by them. Armed guards at colleges but, lets not protect our little ones. The topper is, they caused a run on ALL of the very weapons they want gone. This little stunt has just put MILLIONS of new weapons on the street and ALL of the ammunition. ALL of it! CWI is correct, there were alot of folks stacked deep in arms and ammo before, now.......fagetaboutit! I never thought Id live to see when pot became legal and I became a villian for exercising my 2A rights. That's right, keep 'em high and disarmed and the rest will follow! Rant over, blood pressure dropping back to normal now. Whew |
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Post by thywar on Jan 5, 2013 19:17:41 GMT -7
I did not not vote in the poll - here's why. If we, and all freedom loving Americans do their job and communicate with our elected officials (early and often) I believe that NO gun legislation will pass. And here is the exact reason EVERYONE of us needs to get active.. Like USCGME2 wrote in his thread.. this is our fight and it's up to us to take charge and TELL them they work for us and we don't want this crap.. White House Prepares to Defeat NRA with Speedy Legislationwww.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/05/White-House-prepares-to-defeat-NRA-with-Speedy-legislation |
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Post by thywar on Jan 8, 2013 9:16:03 GMT -7
www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/08/white-house-ramps-up-talks-on-gun-control-measures/Ok folks, the push is on.. time to get geared up and write to everyone you know/can in Washington and let them know how you feel.. I assure you the libs are racing as fast as they can to strike while the emotions are still running hot... 90 days from now some will lose their passion. Former Rep. Gabriel Giffords and her astronaut husband are starting the parallel Brady Campaign effort.. to take away guns from you.. they had an OpEd piece today announcing their intention. One of my senators has written me back and the other said he got my letter and will respond.... eventually.. so I'll be calling his office. From Senator Inhoffe (R-OK) Thank you for contacting me about the Second Amendment. As your voice in Washington, I appreciate being made aware of your views. When I was sworn in after being elected to the Congress, I took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. The Second Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The intent of the legislation at the time it was adopted was crystal clear. The Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment because they believed a well-armed populace was the ultimate check on the power of the federal government. If one were to argue the Second Amendment does not prevent the federal government from abridging the individual right of citizens to own a gun, the second half of the Amendment is rendered meaningless. Thomas Jefferson wrote in Commonplace Book, "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." I am very satisfied that the United States Supreme Court ruled in 2008 in a landmark 5-4 decision (District of Columbia v. Heller) that the Washington D.C. gun ban is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court also positively affirmed that "(t)he Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home." Before the Supreme Court heard this case, I joined former Vice President Cheney, 54 other Senators, and 250 Members of the House of Representatives – including all members of the Oklahoma delegation – in submitting an amicus brief urging the Supreme Court to hold that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess firearms. Recently, the Supreme Court heard another Second Amendment case (McDonald v. City of Chicago) regarding Chicago's handgun ban. Fortunately, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that the Second Amendment applies to state and local government gun laws. I signed another amicus brief filed in McDonald, asking the Supreme Court to affirm that the right to keep and bear arms applies to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment. You will be interested to know that when I signed the amicus brief in District of Colombia v. Heller, it had the support of more Members of Congress than any other amicus brief in history. I am now pleased to say the amicus brief filed in McDonald v. City of Chicago has even more signatories, with a total of 251 Members of the House of Representatives and 58 Senators signing on to the brief. As your Senator, I will continue to strongly oppose any effort to undermine the Second Amendment and an individual citizen's right to keep and bear arms. Again, thank you for your comments. Please do not hesitate to contact me again. Sincerely, James M. Inhofe United States Senator
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Post by orly152 on Jan 8, 2013 10:26:59 GMT -7
We are in a double standard system. We can write millions of letters to Senators regarding gun control and the 2nd Amendment. At the end of the day they don't care about all the letters because they have one agenda....that is placing a banned and eventually getting rid of the 2nd Amendment. We are like dogs chasing our tales or in a revolving door with this issue. They want to banned high mags, assault rifles...etc etc.....that there alone is a conflict with the 2nd Amendment.....how hard is that to understand. How come people accept the status quo when the banned is passed and do nothing about it other than just kill more trees writting letter.....something else needs to be done to correct this cancer in our country. We have millions of attorneys in this country and none of them get together to defend the Constitution Legaly....I guess the attorneys dont bother unless there is a dime to make. People should be with sign picketing and doing a lot more than just writting letters at this stage of the game.
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Post by thywar on Jan 8, 2013 10:55:55 GMT -7
Orly I disagree with your premise. Should more be done? Of course. I have to work. I can't drive to DC and stand their with a sign for weeks. So I belong to the NRA and support their legislative agenda and lobbying efforts. I write/call my reps and tell them my opinions. I wrote to Walmart, I wrote the publisher of the Des Moines register paper to express my disgust for allowing that columnist to 'yell fire' in their newspaper. Do I think there will be a ban on assault weapons and 30 round mags? Yes. Do I like it? No. Nor do I want it. So I do what I can until such time I can/will do more. That being said I think discretion on a forum with the word survival in its name is called for. You can think of me as you will but publicly I'm in as far as I'm going. I'll continue to use my constitutional rights to my benefit. They're mine and I earned them.
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 8, 2013 11:31:33 GMT -7
"We are like dogs chasing our tales"
Every dog has his day.
"do nothing about it other than just kill more trees writting letter"
Most letters and communications these days are sent electronically via the internet and therefore do not kill many trees. Much like your post here.
" People should be with sign picketing and doing a lot more than just writting letters at this stage of the game."
I too do not have the resources to travel to the venues where my picketing would actually have an impact. I'm not even sure that Washington DC is the place to do that since the citizens there have already fallen prey to the unconstitutional law of a city wide gun ban and are currently paying the price of rampant gun violence and murder among their unarmed citizens. I honestly would have fear that an armed criminal who was in support of a gun ban would shoot me. They shoot people for less up there!
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Post by thywar on Jan 8, 2013 17:52:46 GMT -7
I'm gagging. I'm really sad congresswoman Giffords got shot two years ago. But for her to come out for the gun ban makes me sick. 'We both own guns and are strong supporters of the second ammendment'. BS. They've started a PAC to raise money to fight the gun lobby. Why don't they fight FOR mental health or to make cops (Chicago) actually go into neighborhoods and clean them out. Misguided useful idiots. I'm sure she will get lots of sympathy (Diane Sawyer tonight). How many of these 'shooters' or gang bangers belong to the NRA? None. Going to get interesting. Gun control leads the newscast but there isn't any news.
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Post by orly152 on Jan 8, 2013 22:28:33 GMT -7
Orly I disagree with your premise. Should more be done? Of course. I have to work. I can't drive to DC and stand their with a sign for weeks. So I belong to the NRA and support their legislative agenda and lobbying efforts. I write/call my reps and tell them my opinions. I wrote to Walmart, I wrote the publisher of the Des Moines register paper to express my disgust for allowing that columnist to 'yell fire' in their newspaper. Do I think there will be a ban on assault weapons and 30 round mags? Yes. Do I like it? No. Nor do I want it. So I do what I can until such time I can/will do more. That being said I think discretion on a forum with the word survival in its name is called for. You can think of me as you will but publicly I'm in as far as I'm going. I'll continue to use my constitutional rights to my benefit. They're mine and I earned them. You do have a point.....majority of gun owners do have to work for a living and at times from check to check...with that said obviously there aint no time to pick up a sign to protest or even getting out. I guess you are right about doing more when the time comes....the big question for all of us if when the time comes would it be to late ? ITime will tell. I understand what you are completely saying about the letters, phone calls and emails. However, my point is and was at the end of the day the politicians will shove their agenda down The People's throats violating the 2nd Amendment....then after that nobody challenges the violation of the amendment. Moral of the story is that we cant let these politicians keep treating the constitution like a paper napkin.... "We are like dogs chasing our tales" Every dog has his day.
Hey, that's my favorite quote...lol "do nothing about it other than just kill more trees writting letter" Most letters and communications these days are sent electronically via the internet and therefore do not kill many trees. Much like your post here.
I had forgotten about the email thing...I guess politicians probably label it as spam 
" People should be with sign picketing and doing a lot more than just writting letters at this stage of the game." I too do not have the resources to travel to the venues where my picketing would actually have an impact. I'm not even sure that Washington DC is the place to do that since the citizens there have already fallen prey to the unconstitutional law of a city wide gun ban and are currently paying the price of rampant gun violence and murder among their unarmed citizens. I honestly would have fear that an armed criminal who was in support of a gun ban would shoot me. They shoot people for less up there!
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 8, 2013 23:50:28 GMT -7
You are so right orly and I read the same frustration in your post as I feel. There are no easy answers here but something is going to give. Not sure what it's going to be but I do believe it cannot carry on at such a heightened frenzy like it is for any extended period.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 9, 2013 5:42:15 GMT -7
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Post by USCGME2 on Jan 9, 2013 6:53:50 GMT -7
CWI, I am certain you know that the truth means nothing to them. None of what they do has anything to do with public safety. That is only the selling point to layer one more degree of helplessness on the independent people of America. If anyone in Washington were using logic....sorry thats just too much to even hope for. |
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Post by thywar on Jan 9, 2013 9:47:46 GMT -7
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Post by thywar on Jan 9, 2013 11:55:41 GMT -7
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Post by thywar on Jan 9, 2013 11:58:55 GMT -7
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. They want to ban guns from the good citizens but give them to cartels - 2000 untraceable ones at that. Ban guns but, by GOD, be protected by them. Armed guards at colleges but, lets not protect our little ones. The topper is, they caused a run on ALL of the very weapons they want gone. This little stunt has just put MILLIONS of new weapons on the street and ALL of the ammunition. ALL of it! CWI is correct, there were alot of folks stacked deep in arms and ammo before, now.......fagetaboutit! 
