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Post by woodyz on Mar 31, 2013 13:28:21 GMT -7
So help me with your understanding, interruption, opinion of a strawman purchase.
Two years ago I bought my wife a Browning 380 for her birthday. Two years from now if I wanted to buy her another one she would need a background check first.
Is that how you see it?
Now! Last Christmas I bought my 10 year old Grandson a Rossi combo .22, 20, .243. If I waited until this year he couldn't receive it, it wouldn't be his, it would have to go into his Mothers name and she would need a background check or it would have to stay in my name. Which if it is in my name but given to another who couldn't pass a background check (because he is 10) I would be breaking the law.
Or! Worse yet you can't buy a gun for a present to anyone with out breaking the law if you buy in your name with the intent to give to someone else.
What do you say?
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Post by Cwi555 on Mar 31, 2013 13:31:52 GMT -7
You read that the same way I do if the universal background check happens. So help me with your understanding, interruption, opinion of a strawman purchase. Two years ago I bought my wife a Browning 380 for her birthday. Two years from now if I wanted to buy her another one she would need a background check first. Is that how you see it? Now! Last Christmas I bought my 10 year old Grandson a Rossi combo .22, 20, .243. If I waited until this year he couldn't receive it, it wouldn't be his, it would have to go into his Mothers name and she would need a background check or it would have to stay in my name. Which if it is in my name but given to another who couldn't pass a background check (because he is 10) I would be breaking the law. Or! Worse yet you can't buy a gun for a present to anyone with out breaking the law if you buy in your name with the intent to give to someone else. What do you say? |
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Post by woodyz on Mar 31, 2013 13:47:52 GMT -7
More questions on strawman.
You want to buy a handgun I have. I have to verify you can pass a background check. No problem, you have a CCP so I can sell to you.
But do I have to keep a record of who I sold to? If so for how long? If I am going to have to keep records of any firearm sale why don't I just get a FFL?
It was my understanding the FFL dealer didn't keep a record of a "legal" purchase once that purchase cleared, but we know that isn't true. Everytime you buy from an FFL dealer that purchase goes into a database shared by the goberment agencies. Is that hou you understand it?
The goberment can say it is all because they want to make us all safe from gun ownwes/buyers who shouldn't have a gun. But that isn't it. It is all about the ability to tax all of those sales that take place without the goberment getting a piece of the pie. They are missing out on a lot of money and they want it.
Just like farmers markets. A farmer can't just sell his excess goods to individuals any longer. He has to buy a license and pay a tax to sell, you have to pay a tax to buy. All of these strawman purchases are costing the goberment in uncollected taxes.
What do you think?
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Post by woodyz on Mar 31, 2013 13:59:02 GMT -7
Another question on strawman.
You own your car. You paid for it and paid a sales tax when you bought it. Most States charge you and additional property tax on it every year.
Once they have a written record being kept for a strawman sell do you think they are not going to charge you a property tax for that firearm? Not some wimpy 2.5% either, They are going to want a hazardous material tax for you to keep that dangerous weapon.
What do you think?
Now the bullets. If they ever allow bullets to make it to the public again, before they buy all of them up, they are going to keep a record of the bullets you buy and pay taxes on. Since they have the record anyway they are going to want a property tax on any of that hazardous material you are storing.
What? You didn't store it you used it all up on target practice. Well there is going to be a tax on the lead you put into the environment and since the records from all of the licensed firing ranges don't show you paid the per shot lead tax there you must have shot at an illegal unlicensed range so your per shot tax is double.
What do you think?
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Post by Cwi555 on Mar 31, 2013 14:05:44 GMT -7
All those questions are exactly why many Sheriffs are saying such a law is unenforceable.
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Post by woodyz on Mar 31, 2013 14:20:30 GMT -7
Agreed, not enforceable at the general public level. As are a lot of current laws/rules/requirements.
Unfortunately when a law has prov-en to be non enforceable at the general public level some law enforcement and Federal Officers have settled for selective enforcement. Make an extreme example out of a few people and most of the rest will get in line for voluntary enforcement.
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Post by woodyz on Mar 31, 2013 14:25:19 GMT -7
And, for me, as I am sure with everyone else here, if it becomes law, I will obey the law. I may not like it, I may bitch and complain, I may work hard to change the law, but I will not intentionally break the law.  So let's keep working hard to keep it a proposed law, instead of becoming a law some people might want to break. ;D |
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Post by thywar on Mar 31, 2013 15:50:08 GMT -7
I would agree that is how I see this shaping up if it happens. BUT.. with enough pressure (and it will be immense from both sides with Bloomberg and others (Mark Kelly) basically threatening any Democrats who don't support it) we can stop it. I have already written Sen Inhofe (R-OK) who has signed on to filibuster any gun legislation a thank you note. I encourage all of you to do the same.
Support all of your gun rights activists such as the NRA. Life memberships in the NRA are right now only $300 (normally $1000... I bought mine three months ago for $600) and I think you can spread that out with payments. This WILL get uglier and uglier as we approach 2014. Bloomberg is spending millions of dollars trying to buy legislators even at the state level.
If the state legislatures are controlled by Republicans and Republican Governors we can prevent those laws from taking effect as I think all but two states have 2nd Ammendment rights in their own constitutions.
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