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Post by woodyz on May 2, 2013 9:52:28 GMT -7
You don’t need more than 10 rounds! Self Defense Except when you actually do At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations. … Each round slammed into the suspect’s head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain. At long last the would-be cop killer crumpled to the pavement. … Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system. This is why I need more than 10 rounds. The human body is both amazingly fragile and resilient at the same time. If I’m attacked, it might be by more than one person. The person(s) could be hopped up on drugs and not feel the impacts. The wounds could be mortal, but slow. In this case, three headshots were required before the guy went down. To limit people to some magic number is to put their lives in danger while protecting the criminals. Hat tip David Hardy posted by Robb Allen @ 4/26/2013 3:35:34 PM | Feedback (4)
blog.robballen.com/Post/12149/you-dont-need-more-than-10-rounds
In the article where it says posted by robballen it appeared to be a link to the blog, since it didn't show up that way I supplied the link in an edit. |
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Post by pathwinder14 on May 2, 2013 10:45:15 GMT -7
This is what tasers are for. I'm surprised we don't see more people using them. One hit from a taser and people go down. And so I don't shoot off my mouth (  )Are there any instances of tasers not taking someone down? |
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Post by graf on May 2, 2013 11:59:32 GMT -7
This is what tasers are for. I'm surprised we don't see more people using them. One hit from a taser and people go down. And so I don't shoot off my mouth ( )Are there any instances of tasers not taking someone down? In Flint, Michigan last summer a guy took 4 tasers before going down because he was so high on crack. When he did go down he had a heart attack. Tasers are not fool proof either. |
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Post by kutkota on May 2, 2013 12:14:58 GMT -7
I would try to not let someone get that close. I know all the studies and reaction times and what not but I can shoot you from farther away than I can tase you. I think , I have never shot or tased anyone before.
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Post by woodyz on May 2, 2013 13:16:08 GMT -7
There are many stories of someone taking multiple hits that should have stopped them. I know a guy who can put both electrodes from a teaser on his tongue and drain the batteries. There are always going to be exceptions to the norm.
I have always listened to the training words, "a dead man can kill you" and its true.
Regardless the best advice (IMHO) is to shoot first and to practice shot placement. If you get two well placed shots into someone before they shoot 999 times out of a 1000, you will win the gunfight.
In my experience and training most of the time a shootout with handguns is going to be 7 yards or less distance according to all the statistics they collect. It's hard to imagine anyone missing a shot at 7 yards or less. But statistics collected also show my experience has been most shots fired during a handgun shoot out miss their intended target completely.
Most of the misses are physiological, the human mind contains a built in block toward the intentional injury to another human being. The average human doesn't want to kill another human, even when their own life or others lives are in danger. This built in resistance increases the closer the target is. According to studies published by Marshall, S.A.L. in his book "Men Against Fire" and Lt. Col Dave Grossman, in his book, "On Killing"
You have to practice being the first to shoot and making shot placement a reaction, rather than a conscious thought. Getting off the first shot (hit or miss) activates a panic reaction in the target and increases your chances of not getting hit by them. But large capacity handguns remove that advantage. If the guy can shoot and miss 19 times but hit you one time you got shot, and you don't want to get shot. (IMO)
You have to shoot first and you have to react to the incident rather than think. And your reaction needs to be fast and accurate.
I can remember one situation where I saw someone was about to shoot and my next thought was to wonder who had fired the two shots that hit him and the shooter was me. Many times I have had no conscious though of pulling a weapon, aiming or firing. And based on everything I have experienced or researched that is the norm not the exception.
For many years now I have no capability to fire a single shot when I pull the trigger. I will always fire two the assess the situation. I can not consciously force myself to fire one single shot. Unless I only load one round or shoot a pump type gun, I will fire twice, it is a conditioned reaction I can not over come.
Until just a few years ago I would always eject and reload a handgun magazine after firing six rounds. For 30 years my carry handgun had been a Colt 1911 or a Browning Hi-Power with a 7 round magazine. I would eject these newer high capacity mags when 1/2 full. And yes I count my rounds, another unconscious action I am not aware of, but I always know how many rounds I have fired and how many I have left.
I got way off target. The bottom line here. This kind of thing can happen but it isn't something that is worth worrying about or trying to change your training for.
Practice making your first shot quickly and all of your shots accurately, shot placement is still the single most important factor in a gunfight. (IMO)
editedso it was plain the words used were my own and the stats used were from a named source.
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Post by mrmike on May 2, 2013 16:44:26 GMT -7
Maine just voted down the proposed 10 round limit law 13-0!!! GO MAINE!!!!
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Post by ColcordMama on May 2, 2013 17:09:04 GMT -7
You don’t need more than 10 rounds! Self Defense Except when you actually do At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations. … Each round slammed into the suspect’s head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain. At long last the would-be cop killer crumpled to the pavement. … Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system. This is why I need more than 10 rounds. The human body is both amazingly fragile and resilient at the same time. If I’m attacked, it might be by more than one person. The person(s) could be hopped up on drugs and not feel the impacts. The wounds could be mortal, but slow. In this case, three headshots were required before the guy went down. To limit people to some magic number is to put their lives in danger while protecting the criminals. Hat tip David Hardy posted by Robb Allen @ 4/26/2013 3:35:34 PM | Feedback (4) Woodyz, please let us know the origination of this post, unless it is your own original work. I hate to nag, but it's my hind end that's on the line if someone gets ticked off about their work getting copy/pasted. Thanks. |
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Post by woodyz on May 2, 2013 18:15:46 GMT -7
You don’t need more than 10 rounds! Self Defense Except when you actually do At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations. … Each round slammed into the suspect’s head — one through each side of his mouth and one through the top of his skull into his brain. At long last the would-be cop killer crumpled to the pavement. … Remarkably, the gunman was still showing vital signs when EMS arrived. Sheer determination, it seemed, kept him going, for no evidence of drugs or alcohol was found in his system. This is why I need more than 10 rounds. The human body is both amazingly fragile and resilient at the same time. If I’m attacked, it might be by more than one person. The person(s) could be hopped up on drugs and not feel the impacts. The wounds could be mortal, but slow. In this case, three headshots were required before the guy went down. To limit people to some magic number is to put their lives in danger while protecting the criminals. Hat tip David Hardy posted by Robb Allen @ 4/26/2013 3:35:34 PM | Feedback (4) Woodyz, please let us know the origination of this post, unless it is your own original work. I hate to nag, but it's my hind end that's on the line if someone gets ticked off about their work getting copy/pasted. Thanks. I can take a hint! Twice is enough for me. |
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Post by pathwinder14 on May 3, 2013 6:48:45 GMT -7
Thanks all for the clarification. |
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)Are there any instances of tasers not taking someone down?
