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Post by cajunlady87 on May 29, 2012 8:50:03 GMT -7
Below is a link of various wilderness survival shelters both natural and manmade and addresses different geographical areas also. Let's face it, without proper shelter from the elements, it lessons your chances of survival. www.practicalsurvivor.com/shelter |
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Post by onidah on May 29, 2012 18:52:25 GMT -7
Good link.
Also, remember the importance of clothing (a.k.a. personal mobile shelter). With the right clothing, a person doesn't need to spend time or energy making other types of shelters in survival situations.
Onidah
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Post by offtrail on Nov 18, 2012 19:20:53 GMT -7
Good link. Also, remember the importance of clothing (a.k.a. personal mobile shelter). With the right clothing, a person doesn't need to spend time or energy making other types of shelters in survival situations. Onidah I don't care what kind of clothing you have on, a person needs shelter to survive. Just ask climbers that climb the highest peaks and get stuck on the mountain at night or during a storm. I do agree with you to a point, the right clothing can keep you alive for a time but without shelter your days are limited. |
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Post by wtrfwlr on Nov 18, 2012 19:44:07 GMT -7
I had that facing me last Sunday night with a big storm rolling my way.
1. Camp on the ground under tarp.
2. Camp in the back of the truck with a camper top over the bed.
3. Try and make it to an abandoned cabin and stay there with my gear inside.
I opted for the cabin and was danged glad I did! 40-50 MPH winds and heavy rains. I stayed inside with my gear and stayed warm, cozy and dry. Slept wonderfully through the night.
Granted this was not a survival situation but hey, I always try and take advantage of what is available to me when I can. I had rain gear and all that and would have done fine with either of the first two options but #3 was a lot more hospitable to say the least.
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Post by mud on Nov 18, 2012 20:06:29 GMT -7
Clothing is only the first in a multi-layer system of shelter IMHO. Part of my pack i carry every day has a poncho and liner. While they can be used as an improvised shelter I feel they are better to be used as intended.
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Post by angelhelp on Nov 19, 2012 4:55:02 GMT -7
I've had a poncho and other rain gear with me for some time now, but as of yesterday, I was able to add the liner to my bag.  |
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Post by onidah on Nov 19, 2012 20:53:49 GMT -7
[quote author=offtrail board=shelters thread=514 post=34949 time=1353291653[/quote]I don't care what kind of clothing you have on, a person needs shelter to survive. Just ask climbers that climb the highest peaks and get stuck on the mountain at night or during a storm. I do agree with you to a point, the right clothing can keep you alive for a time but without shelter your days are limited.[/quote] With the right clothing (personal mobile shelter), your days are only limited by calories and hydration, not by environmental factors like temperature, precipitation (or lack thereof), wind, humidity, etc. Larger, more elaborate shelters don't provide anything beyond properly designed clothing except more space. From my viewpoint, there is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing. Here is an example of the type of clothing that would work perfectly well in the condition you describe for months on end if necessary (and if properly fed and hydrated). www.youtube.com/watch?v=qruKLhE2PgM I've spent many nights in great comfort at temperatures well below -40 degrees with nothing but this type of clothing on. No shelter of any kind. No external heat source. Just me, the clothing, and the elements. This clothing dries itself with nothing more than a person's body heat, so moisture build-up over a long-term situation isn't an issue like it can be in many other types of winter clothing. With the right kind of clothing for the situation, I'm not worried about dying due to the lack of a shelter, no matter what Mother Nature throws at me or the duration of the situation. Onidah |
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Post by offtrail on Nov 19, 2012 21:11:07 GMT -7
We just disagree, but very much understand what your saying. Not everyone will have just the right clothing. That being said,have the best clothing you can afford and learn how to build a shelter just in case |
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Post by offtrail on Nov 19, 2012 21:23:08 GMT -7
I had that facing me last Sunday night with a big storm rolling my way. 1. Camp on the ground under tarp. 2. Camp in the back of the truck with a camper top over the bed. 3. Try and make it to an abandoned cabin and stay there with my gear inside. I opted for the cabin and was danged glad I did! 40-50 MPH winds and heavy rains. I stayed inside with my gear and stayed warm, cozy and dry. Slept wonderfully through the night. Granted this was not a survival situation but hey, I always try and take advantage of what is available to me when I can. I had rain gear and all that and would have done fine with either of the first two options but #3 was a lot more hospitable to say the least. It may not have been a survival situation but anything can happen. You had back up plans and options, tarp, truck, cabin and gear. You pretty much had it covered |
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Post by BORNTHATWAY on Nov 19, 2012 22:21:05 GMT -7
Good article CL. It is always important to have these skills when out. We could be caught out anytime without our tent or proper clothing for the chang that occurred in the weather.
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Post by onidah on Nov 19, 2012 22:38:57 GMT -7
We just disagree, but very much understand what your saying. Not everyone will have just the right clothing. That being said,have the best clothing you can afford and learn how to build a shelter just in case Or, learn how to build the right clothing just in case.  I agree that everyone should learn to build a large variety of shelters just in case they don't have the right clothing on during a given situation. That is exactly my point - if you have the right clothing on, you won't have to build a shelter, just in case. On the other hand, if you don't have the right clothing on (due to poor preparation and planning) then you'll need to turn to building shelters as a way of supplementing an inadequate clothing system. In terms of buying the best clothing a person can afford, I just want to point out (for everyone's benefit) that cost and the effectiveness of clothing have very little to do with each other (in spite of what the marketing folks at outdoor gear companies would have people believe). Too many people incorrectly assume that there is a linear positive correlation between an item's price and its overall usefulness, effectiveness, quality, etc. When a person properly understands the correct principles, they can make their own gear (for pennies on the dollar) or utilize cheap alternatives that will outperform even the most expensive gear on the market. Throwing more money at the problem isn't necessarily the way to reach the best solution. Onidah |
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Post by offtrail on Nov 19, 2012 23:01:21 GMT -7
About the best we can do is put the information out there. What they do with it is up to them. I did use the link you provided and enjoyed it very much. That blue foam pad I sleep on is made of the same thing i guess. Years ago i cut a piece and put it around my chest then put my jacket on and went for a hike. I could not believe how warm it kept me. Still I would need a shelter or just a wind brake for me and my fire |
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Post by onidah on Nov 19, 2012 23:25:46 GMT -7
I'm going to guess that the blue foam pad you are referring to is probably dense closed-cell foam, not fluffy open-cell foam. Unlike open-cell foam, closed-cell foam isn't nearly as flexible, acts as a moisture barrier, and doesn't have nearly the R-value. The right open-cell foam has the consistency of white bread from the grocery store (only it has a lot more resilience to enable it to spring back from being compressed).
There are three parts to that video. If you like the first, I hope that you watched the next two for the rest of the story. I like the part where he talks about the testing that they did with the U.S. military and where the soldiers are sleeping half-way out of their sleeping bags because they are too warm.
Onidah
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Post by offtrail on Nov 20, 2012 9:43:25 GMT -7
I'm going to guess that the blue foam pad you are referring to is probably dense closed-cell foam, not fluffy open-cell foam. Unlike open-cell foam, closed-cell foam isn't nearly as flexible, acts as a moisture barrier, and doesn't have nearly the R-value. The right open-cell foam has the consistency of white bread from the grocery store (only it has a lot more resilience to enable it to spring back from being compressed). There are three parts to that video. If you like the first, I hope that you watched the next two for the rest of the story. I like the part where he talks about the testing that they did with the U.S. military and where the soldiers are sleeping half-way out of their sleeping bags because they are too warm. Onidah Ill do my best but right now i'm going to camp to spend the day ....later ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by WILL on Nov 20, 2012 13:18:03 GMT -7
Great link CJ87, thanks.
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