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Post by pathwinder14 on May 15, 2013 6:25:11 GMT -7
So my Old Hickory threads got me thinking about how I look at knives. I carry multiple knives, like everyone here probably does. How many of you carry an "abuse" knife? Is there something you carry that is still a decent knife, but you abuse it to save wear on your better knife?
For me it was my Old Hickory. I abused it because I knew I could replace it. I always have a better knife as a back up.
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Post by Cwi555 on May 15, 2013 6:38:59 GMT -7
So my Old Hickory threads got me thinking about how I look at knives. I carry multiple knives, like everyone here probably does. How many of you carry an "abuse" knife? Is there something you carry that is still a decent knife, but you abuse it to save wear on your better knife? For me it was my Old Hickory. I abused it because I knew I could replace it. I always have a better knife as a back up. My BK 2 is my abuse knife. |
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Post by insaneh on May 15, 2013 7:46:17 GMT -7
I abuse a cold steel recon 1
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Post by kutkota on May 15, 2013 8:16:20 GMT -7
I beat the crude out of my BK 2 and it holds up great. I also suck at sharpening and it holds an edge decent.
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Post by crashdive123 on May 15, 2013 8:23:42 GMT -7
I've got several - Bk2, Rat 5, etc.
I just picked up some 1/4" A2 and am planning a "hard use" knife with it. While I really enjoy the pitted, rusty sawmill blades, they are not really "hard use" knives. I piece of steel that has been through as much as they have and left in a field to rust is apt to have micro fractures in it that could weaken it during extreme use. I also have a few other steels that I'm going to experiment with.
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Post by Cwi555 on May 15, 2013 9:39:28 GMT -7
I've got several - Bk2, Rat 5, etc. I just picked up some 1/4" A2 and am planning a "hard use" knife with it. While I really enjoy the pitted, rusty sawmill blades, they are not really "hard use" knives. I piece of steel that has been through as much as they have and left in a field to rust is apt to have micro fractures in it that could weaken it during extreme use. I also have a few other steels that I'm going to experiment with. My first blade from you was one of those knives. If left alone, that pitting would present the problem you describe. As finished it is another story. The bases for peening steel is to relieve surface stresses. What remains after you have finished grinding and polishing would not be considered injurious to the steel. In fact, if it didn't pop open during the processing, it is very unlikely any fracture existed. Assuming that, the rounded/cleaned up areas of pitting, will increase the effective surface area of the steel, which also increases the effective area for stress distribution. As long as those areas contain no edges, the stress would effectively break around and under the pit rather than through it assuming effective heat treat. On the other hand, if there is a flat linear edge, involved, it would create a stress riser. That in fact could be a problem. None of the blades I've received thus far have ever shown any sign of that. My opinion for what it's worth. |
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Post by mountainmark on May 15, 2013 10:51:01 GMT -7
I don't think I own a knife that is not for abuse  That's why I try to outwit quality through quantity  |
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Post by graf on May 15, 2013 11:28:35 GMT -7
For me I have to fixed blades is BK2 and folder is Cold Steel Pocket Bushman
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Post by Ceorlmann on May 15, 2013 14:08:34 GMT -7
I have 3 SAKs meant for abuse. There is a local Victorinox business not too far from here so if push comes to shove I'll be having them take a look at them.
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Post by mud on May 15, 2013 19:15:23 GMT -7
My saw blade Crashblade knife re-dubbed The Mud-kutter, is my go to knife now. I spoke to Crash through pm's and he warned me about the possibility of fractures due to age. (shortly after I bought it)
yup they are not real cheap but I bought it to use and if I break the tip or nick the blade...I will profile it or send it to Crash to have it done 'professionally'. Likely I will try a third one (have two saw blade knives now) a planer or perhaps even a Damascus blade. I am super pleased and I believe the knife survives in use is perhaps the metal of the blade body itself(on the saw) was made to withstand the rigors of vibrations and shocks during mill use. I could be wrong but here is what mine has been through:
nicked edge from someone at work that couldn't just look at it
bent tip (twice) using it, once stuck in a deer bone, other splitting kindling
stains: if you do not get the blood off it will stain, you can remove it easily with some gun-brite gun polish and a few minutes of your time.
I wish the edge was a little harder but it is plenty easy to slap one back on
still very pleased and plan to post a short video of use. The wife's may require skullduggery to get out of her bag....
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Post by crashdive123 on May 15, 2013 19:24:25 GMT -7
I'm working on getting a RC hardness of 62/63 now. Just need to play with the formula a bit.
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Post by mud on May 15, 2013 19:51:54 GMT -7
That's cool. Like I said, you warned me but I am gonna push it. I know where to get another one:)
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Post by Redneckidokie on May 15, 2013 22:56:30 GMT -7
I guess I am the only person in the whole world that does not understand the need to try and tear up a good knife? On every bushcrafty type forum all I see is how they beat the hell out of their blade with a rock, hammer, tree limb trying to split gigantic Sequoia size trees into kindling.  Why? The only use for my knives is cutting something I can not tear. Skinning and prepping game into food. And rarely any more, making something or someone stop bothering me. Beyond that, I have a warehouse full of 'tools', designed for the specific job at hand. Pack accordingly.  In my packs (Bobs) I have machetes, hand axes, and hawks for light chopping to save my knife for more intricate jobs. If I am missing the boat, and obviously I am help me out. LOL |
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Post by mud on May 15, 2013 23:28:29 GMT -7
I guess I am the only person in the whole world that does not understand the need to try and tear up a good knife? On every bushcrafty type forum all I see is how they beat the hell out of their blade with a rock, hammer, tree limb trying to split gigantic Sequoia size trees into kindling. Why? The only use for my knives is cutting something I can not tear. Skinning and prepping game into food. And rarely any more, making something or someone stop bothering me. Beyond that, I have a warehouse full of 'tools', designed for the specific job at hand. Pack accordingly. In my packs (Bobs) I have machetes, hand axes, and hawks for light chopping to save my knife for more intricate jobs. If I am missing the boat, and obviously I am help me out. LOL did not mean to imply abuse. processing small wood for fire, game cleaning etc. some light baton use light chopping when a hatchet is not at hand. I take my knife everywhere but not the hatchet. it rides in my truck on my BOB. |
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Post by crashdive123 on May 16, 2013 3:19:24 GMT -7
I guess I am the only person in the whole world that does not understand the need to try and tear up a good knife? On every bushcrafty type forum all I see is how they beat the hell out of their blade with a rock, hammer, tree limb trying to split gigantic Sequoia size trees into kindling. Why? The only use for my knives is cutting something I can not tear. Skinning and prepping game into food. And rarely any more, making something or someone stop bothering me. Beyond that, I have a warehouse full of 'tools', designed for the specific job at hand. Pack accordingly. In my packs (Bobs) I have machetes, hand axes, and hawks for light chopping to save my knife for more intricate jobs. If I am missing the boat, and obviously I am help me out. LOL You're not alone. |
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That's why I try to outwit quality through quantity 
Why?