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Post by pathwinder14 on Sept 25, 2013 9:51:25 GMT -7
I have been recently reading woodtrekker's blog. He has a good article about long term survival and realistic caloric intake requirements. It's a long article but worth it. woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2013/09/living-off-land-delusions-and.htmlYet he never addresses passive food gathering. To ad to his article, how much passive food gathering (traps, drop lines, nets, etc.) do you think you would need for long term subsistence? If it were me I would set at least 20 drop/trot lines, 20 snares, and 20-40 dead falls. Dead falls get teh lion's share because they require no limited resources like wire, line, hooks, etc. They are 100% naturally made. Thoughts? Opinions? |
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Post by graf on Sept 25, 2013 11:54:31 GMT -7
In a long term survival wild game will not be available for very long. There is no rule of thumb for % of caught game to % of traps/snares/lines set. To many variables such as, location, time of year, water and food available for animals that now humans are harvesting, experience of trapper, equipment quality. Thats why they call it trapping and not catching.
I have the equipment as well and some experience and my plan would be to catch and eat and preserve as much as possible as quickly as possible in a SHTF scenario that would allow my preps to be saved for later when everyone else is trying to catch game that is no more.
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 25, 2013 11:55:18 GMT -7
I have been recently reading woodtrekker's blog. He has a good article about long term survival and realistic caloric intake requirements. It's a long article but worth it. woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2013/09/living-off-land-delusions-and.htmlYet he never addresses passive food gathering. To ad to his article, how much passive food gathering (traps, drop lines, nets, etc.) do you think you would need for long term subsistence? If it were me I would set at least 20 drop/trot lines, 20 snares, and 20-40 dead falls. Dead falls get teh lion's share because they require no limited resources like wire, line, hooks, etc. They are 100% naturally made. Thoughts? Opinions? I would tend to agree with you. For a long term survival scenario, passive food gathering should be practiced at every opportunity. With that it should be remembered that the harder you work, the more calories you will need. Any effort that is not necessary, necessarily increases the need for more calories. That doesn't mean being lazy, it means being smart. |
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Post by cajunlady87 on Sept 25, 2013 11:58:41 GMT -7
I read some of his blog and his repeated message was the value placed on caloric intake. While I agree it has it's importance, as long term survival it will be a given. Many factors should be taken into consideration to meet those daily requirements if your only provider will be hunting, fishing and foraging, there will be days of failure so he probably didn't address it 'cause he doesn't know himself. JMO
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 25, 2013 12:05:00 GMT -7
I read some of his blog and his repeated message was the value placed on caloric intake. While I agree it has it's importance, as long term survival it will be a given. Many factors should be taken into consideration to meet those daily requirements if your only provider will be hunting, fishing and foraging, there will be days of failure so he probably didn't address it 'cause he doesn't know himself. JMO His approach appears to be from the theoretical side. 7 days of fasting with nothing but water will make a person realize what they are doing stupidly, and what they are doing efficiently. There is no replacement for experience. |
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Post by cajunlady87 on Sept 25, 2013 12:29:29 GMT -7
I have been recently reading woodtrekker's blog. He has a good article about long term survival and realistic caloric intake requirements. It's a long article but worth it. woodtrekker.blogspot.com/2013/09/living-off-land-delusions-and.htmlYet he never addresses passive food gathering. To ad to his article, how much passive food gathering (traps, drop lines, nets, etc.) do you think you would need for long term subsistence? If it were me I would set at least 20 drop/trot lines, 20 snares, and 20-40 dead falls. Dead falls get teh lion's share because they require no limited resources like wire, line, hooks, etc. They are 100% naturally made. Thoughts? Opinions? I would tend to agree with you. For a long term survival scenario, passive food gathering should be practiced at every opportunity. With that it should be remembered that the harder you work, the more calories you will need. Any effort that is not necessary, necessarily increases the need for more calories. That doesn't mean being lazy, it means being smart. Location will be the number one factor allowing you the luxury to procure food daily and the amount of energy spent doing so. And, as cwi mentioned, something which "should be practiced at every opportunity". If you looked at WC's recent thread, you will note his farm is near wooded areas to hunt, has a stocked pond and he planted a garden. That is an ideal setup and his family is set to gather food and not burn many calories in doing so. Of course without such an easy accessibility others will have to seek out those areas therefore burning more calories going back and forth setting and checking traps and trot lines in hopes no one gets to them before he does or even worse, steals his gear. My home is located in woods and I have taken advantage of that fact even further to my neighbors chagrin. He has leveled nearly all trees in his yard including all foliage and bushes animals seek refuge in leaving his yard bare which he merrily mows for hours with his new toy. The back portion of my property in contrast has overgrowth which was done intentionally to entice critters in closer. There isn't a day that goes by when I don't see wild rabbits chasing each other and squirrels doing the same near my chickens which are free ranged. When I lay feed out for my chickens the squirrels eat the leftovers along with other birds especially doves and I've noticed a huge increase in the variety of birds hovering near. If I need a meal they're feet away from my back door. Fishing is steps away too.  |
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Post by missasip on Sept 27, 2013 19:06:21 GMT -7
Hopefully, my garden, along with livestock will continue to help with my food needs. Hunting, fishing and foraging will be automatic. Heck it’s what I’m trying to do now. Trying to make it smoothly now will go a long ways toward making it easier if and when you have to… Stress will be a big deal regardless and the more you have situated before things tank will make dealing with stress somewhat easier….
My stored food will be what holds me through the tough times when all the aforementioned is not working out, I’m sick, weather or some other calamity is happening…..
Good thread and thought processes.
These sorts of threads are what I wish we could delve into more often....just saying
Jimmy
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Post by cajunlady87 on Sept 27, 2013 19:40:18 GMT -7
We all agree caloric intake is of great importance for many reasons, most notably remaining healthy. However, history has proven the lack of attaining the daily recommended allowance will not necessarily mean you're totally doomed and should start digging your six foot hole. It may lower your body's resistance to fight off diseases and still not be fatal. Our ancestors who lived through the Great Depression struggled daily to keep a meal on the table with many mouths to feed often times failing to do so. And even worse were the skeletonized looking bodies of men and women who survived the Holocaust concentration camps. Seeing many of those people today doing interviews, they appear to be pictures of health. It's not to say they haven't suffered repercussions from their meager daily rations but they did survive to relate their stories.  |
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Post by thywar on Sept 28, 2013 5:39:56 GMT -7
I agree with all of the above but I also think when things are tough having that store of vitamins, multi and otherwise will be a big help.
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