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Post by woodyz on Nov 6, 2013 16:02:02 GMT -7
I wanted to ask the infantry types here about perimeter security and hardening your living area, camp, or group while on the move either by vehicle or foot. I know there are probably a lot of nuances, just looking for general rules to live by. Thanks for input ya'll  Well you sure got your general rules and then some I would still like to here ideas on staying safe while on foot, on the move. The section on "patrol base" would apply to travel alone or as a group. But I will start a list and anyone can add to it. Slow down, take the time to see everything, just as if you were stalking a deer. |
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Post by woodyz on Nov 6, 2013 16:03:52 GMT -7
If you can't find what you are looking for in the form of a military operation, from links on this page, it hasn't been written down. www.fas.org/irp/doddir/ |
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Post by woodyz on Nov 6, 2013 16:05:47 GMT -7
You will be hard pressed to not find what you are looking for in the ranger hand book. It is one of the few "books" that you can take out to the field and "do it by the book" and it make sense. Sure minor things change here or there,but as far as tactics and protocols and how to do this or that, its a darn good book to have on hand. Their is a ranger medic handbook as well that has a bunch of algorthyms to follow on specific injuries. |
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Post by kutkota on Nov 6, 2013 17:46:28 GMT -7
Well you sure got your general rules and then some I would still like to here ideas on staying safe while on foot, on the move. The section on "patrol base" would apply to travel alone or as a group. But I will start a list and anyone can add to it. Slow down, take the time to see everything, just as if you were stalking a deer. "never sleep past dawn"! You where marine's correct woodyz? Thywar I believe earned a tab? It is very amazing how something as seemingly simple as setting up a patrol base, is so hard to achieve the first time. For get about a Company patrol base. We had three plt's 12 oclock to 6 by way of 3 oclock. Point being, you have to practice, allot. To the point of wanting to beat your brains in, and then do it again. I am sure the dead horse is around somewhere but it can't be kicked enough. |
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Post by thywar on Nov 6, 2013 20:10:16 GMT -7
Nope kutkota, I showed up to get the tab but didn't make it. Well my knee didn't anyway. Best tracker did though I believe.
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Post by kutkota on Nov 6, 2013 20:32:01 GMT -7
Nope kutkota, I showed up to get the tab but didn't make it. Well my knee didn't anyway. Best tracker did though I believe. One of our Plt SGT's is an RI and he comes back every few drills or so and tells us the horror stories. Our battalion sends half dozen to a dozen a year down there. Amazingly the spots seem to go to the LT's as a pat on the back for stroking the ego's of the battalion staff. One of the few that came back with a tab was about 35 lbs lighter. We have had several through and through studs not make it out. Still can't talk them into sending a medic though. |
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Post by woodyz on Nov 7, 2013 0:08:01 GMT -7
The section on "patrol base" would apply to travel alone or as a group. But I will start a list and anyone can add to it. Slow down, take the time to see everything, just as if you were stalking a deer. "never sleep past dawn"! You where marine's correct woodyz? Thywar I believe earned a tab? It is very amazing how something as seemingly simple as setting up a patrol base, is so hard to achieve the first time. For get about a Company patrol base. We had three plt's 12 oclock to 6 by way of 3 oclock. Point being, you have to practice, allot. To the point of wanting to beat your brains in, and then do it again. I am sure the dead horse is around somewhere but it can't be kicked enough. I earned a tab, and my Parachutist Badge, but I missed getting a hogs tooth (I am still a pig) Marines sent a few people every session but you have to have completed several prerequisites similar to the Army training, and you had to be an E4 with no office hours for at least six months. Then you had to have at least two years left after the 61 days of training. So most of the time you either had to already be on your second tour or extend. After Advanced infantry, I went to MP and Signal School at FT Gordon. From there the path that I followed gets mixed up, because their are 5 phases to becoming Special Operations Capable. Ranger school and scout/sniper are in phase 2 of the Marine Corps Accusation/indoctrination. But Ranger school also has 10 phases, so sometimes do to class sizes or prior commitments I got some of the sessions out of order and didn't even take some portions if I already had it in USMC training or if the wanted me to take it through the Marine training. And in some cases I took both, because of schedules. Someone may have run across this before but some MP's in the Marine Corps are scout/snipers and/or Force Reconnaissance people. It was all political, it was easy to get MP's assigned to forward areas and it was a lot easier to expand the MP force rather then add scout/snipers or long reconnaissance people. The bottom line I was in several different training programs, then I went to VietNam for about half of a normal tour, went to a bunch of Army Training groups, finished up my Marine Force Reconnaissance training (some on both coasts) then went back to finish a tour in Nam. Since I didn't get my hog tooth I wasn't officially a sniper but I was very good out to 800 yards so I got to use that some. But 99% of my missions after my return were keyhole or sneak and peak. I would get dropped deep across a border we couldn't see either in two man or four man groups. Then sit on a mountain and count/identify troops and equipment for ten days. Then try to get out to a preestablished pickup point without getting seen. MP time was cush/down time, we could only do 10 days with a thirty day break in between, sometimes I would lose 20# on a ten day mission. But more often as not as soon as my debriefing was over I would catch orders to go to some training. I think I spent 30 months of 36 actually in country. Never jumped with a parachute after training, repealed into and out of helo's instead. |
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Post by woodyz on Nov 7, 2013 0:24:44 GMT -7
kutkota
Check out the program for prerequisites you can complete ahead of time. A quick ticket in would be a Army SPO Diver. If you had your diver award and requested to go to Ranger School as a medic, I would bet you would be rushed right in.
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