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Post by woodyz on Nov 11, 2013 10:24:39 GMT -7
What is happening in the Philippines is terrible, I pray for those who lived and now face trying to survive after.
Lets use it. We are there. Don't cheat you did go to a shelter so you start with what you had on you and what was in your go bag (what is in it right now before you start.
Lets take it further. We are now three days into the situation so we have some insight into what has happened so far.
The exercise doesn't start until the 12th. Today I want to build the conditions. Using the following as the base conditions of the exercise today I want us to add to, take from, further define the conditions. Yes it may give some advantage by getting to think about things for the next day before it starts. But hey! This is a survival site we are thinking about it, we have a plan already. Then I will take all of the new conditions from today and rewrite the exercise. At midnight tonite we who wish to participate will each provide an answer to the three questions at the end.
What do you think? We should get some lessons learned and some notes to improve our plans and our go bags. You go bag and supplies are frozen now, what you have right now is what you start with.
You are in the Philippines, the typhoon hit 3 days ago 72 hr. All you have had is what you have in your current go bag or what you can salvage. If you have specific/location items such as a local map in your go bag you can substitute a local area map.
You were in a public shelter during the storm, some of your family was in a different shelter across town, you have only the communication abilities that still exist or that were in your go bag. The shelter you were in was badly damaged. Everything around you was destroyed and flooded, most of the flood water has pulled back be it left total destruction. Sanitation conditions are bad, everything is contaminated, dead bodies are everywhere. All the stores and warehouses have been looted and are empty. There are 680,000 people where you are in exactly the same situation as you. What you had at day one they had, the playing field was equal at day one. Looting and rioting are occurring around you, gangs are attacking relief trucks and people who have water and/or food as they find them. The military have been called out but none are near where you are. People are getting dysentery.
What have you been doing for the last 72 hours?
What are you going to do for the next 72 hours?
When does salvaging/savaging become looting?
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Post by kutkota on Nov 11, 2013 10:38:30 GMT -7
I like it.
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Post by mountainmark on Nov 11, 2013 11:39:00 GMT -7
Not sure I understand....
You want us to start now, "adding to, taking from, and further defining" the situation that already exists there?
Are we seeking to more closely understand what is happening there, or come up with our own scenarios?
Are we supposed to add those "changes" onto this thread before midnight when we will begin deciding what the previous and next 72 hours look like?
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Post by woodyz on Nov 11, 2013 14:29:25 GMT -7
Not sure I understand.... You want us to start now, "adding to, taking from, and further defining" the situation that already exists there? Are we seeking to more closely understand what is happening there, or come up with our own scenarios? Are we supposed to add those "changes" onto this thread before midnight when we will begin deciding what the previous and next 72 hours look like? I will try and clarify. We use what is happening as an exercise for survival. We put ourselves into the situation and determine if our existing plans work and if we have access to what we need if we are in the same situation. Because the situation is happening we are able to use it to create life like situations that change as the days pass. Because the real situation is 72 hours + ahead of our start we can use the information that exists to define the problems we will face. For example, right now no one knows exactly what the impact is because communications are down. How is the plan you had in place 3 days ago, working in this situation? Did you plan for complete lack of communication? The example situation in the first post is our starting point, I would like other people to post other "problems" created by the situation in the Philippines that I may not have added. So today we create the situation using the real issue. Then tomorrow we will post our pretend experience based on what has happened to us (in the Philippines) in the last three days based on how we planned and what we had in our preparations if we were actually in the current situation that 2+ million people find themselves in now. Staying a day behind the actual news coverage will allow us to face new obstacles as they occur. This practice session to a real scenario allows us to test our existing preparations to real problems being faced by the people in the Philippines. Hopefully, we can take away some lessoned learned and adjust our preparations accordingly. |
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Post by angelhelp on Nov 11, 2013 16:25:29 GMT -7
Our bags contain maps. Should we presume our own local area or still presume the Philippines?
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Post by woodyz on Nov 11, 2013 16:44:04 GMT -7
Our bags contain maps. Should we presume our own local area or still presume the Philippines? Assume that if you have a map then it is of the Philippines, and you can use it in the situation. For example pick the Philippine town you were in when this hit and use a google map from there for the exercise. No it doesn't look like that now, but neither would your map of home. |
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Post by angelhelp on Nov 11, 2013 17:51:21 GMT -7
1. What have we been doing for the past 72 hours?
2. What will we do for the next 72 hours?
3. When does salvaging/savaging become looting?
To begin with #3, "savaging" implies a measure of violence. Salvaging, presumably from debris, isn't looting unless one recognizes ownership markings such as a name and/or address on an item. With the current chaos, everybody's stuff is pretty much ruined, shuffled among others' belongings, wet, getting moldy, ripped/torn/shredded/decaying. Having never lived at that latitude, it's a safe assumption that the rot factor is considerably greater in a tropical area than where we live. 3 days wouldn't yet be enough to test my moral compass for looting.
#1 and #2 would be answered by a combination of trying to get our own stuff dried out somewhat. Assuming we had lived in a particular town on the west side of the northernmost island, I would have tried to access a bol to the east in the hills. With what is in our packs, we could physically filter and then chemically purify water for a while, but there would come a point when we'd be reduced to having to boil it. We have, perhaps, a 2-week supply of food, longer if we severely ration ourselves. Assuming all of us are in this situation, 2 of us would willingly consume fewer rations in favor of those with less bodily reserve. We'd have taken the time to make our bol as livable as possible, but I think we must presume only the use of whatever we're carrying. Any natural features of an area would be exploited for shelter -- that said, I think I happened on a reasonable location for the bol, at least as best as I can determine using the maps available to me.
Are we local citizens or tourists? Are we involved in our current professions? If so, there is no more school building for me, no mail route for Airborne, no college for Ceorlmann, no store for MirkwoodWanderer to mind, and no longer a mill for Ceorlmann and his wife to guard. Presumably we no longer have a place to live or vehicles to drive. Do we assume that we made it to the bol with our supplies intact? Given the terrain and the storm, it's just as likely that we'd have been clobbered by a tree en route. The walk itself wouldn't have been far, but there is considerable altitude to conquer.
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Post by woodyz on Nov 12, 2013 0:03:28 GMT -7
Sorry! I intended to have this updated before now.
You are in the Philippines, the typhoon hit 4 days ago 84 hr. All you have had is what you have in your current go bag or what you can salvage. If you have specific/location items such as a local map in your go bag you can substitute a local area map. If you have cache’s now you are allowed to use them, but be honest compare their current location to the current conditions, the cache faced 200 mile and hour winds and 20 feet of water, was it destroyed?
You knew the storm was coming and You were in a public shelter or your retreat during the storm, (based on your existing plan, you may have stayed home) some of your family was in a different shelter across town, you have only the communication abilities that still exist or that were in your go bag. The shelter you were in was badly damaged. Everything around you was destroyed and flooded, most of the flood water has pulled back be it left total destruction. Sanitation conditions are bad, everything is contaminated, dead bodies are everywhere. All the stores and warehouses have been looted and are empty. There are 680,000 people where you are in exactly the same situation as you. What you had at day one they had, the playing field was equal at day one. Looting and rioting are occurring around you, gangs are attacking relief trucks and people who have water and/or food as they find them. The military have been called out but none are near where you are. People are getting dysentery.
Day five we face another storm, not as bad but much rain on already soaked land, mud/landslides, more flooding, disruption to traffic and help, roads blocked, debris rearranged. Burying of bodies has to stop, sanitation conditions are critical.
it is estimated to have affected more than 9.5 million people. That number is likely to rise as reports continue to trickle in, particularly considering the 28 million people living in the storm’s path
Remember the Philippines was just hit a couple of weeks ago by a 7.2 earthquake and survivors homes are damaged or destroyed, approximately 270,000 people were alredy living in makeshift shelters.
The devastation has displaced hundreds of thousands and left many in dire need of food, medical assistance and shelter. The storm has destroyed basic water and sanitation infrastructure, ensuing a significant public health risk. The IRC emergency team first will focus on immediate needs to save lives: health care, clean water and sanitation.
Along with homes and infrastructure, people's incomes have also been wiped out
the only functioning hospital can't take any more people and nothing is left to treat them. "We need more medicine. We cannot give anti-tetanus vaccine shots because we have none."
"Roads are blocked, airports are destroyed."
The Philippines is covered in mountains, which drop sharply to coastal areas, increasing the risk of devastating landslides. Storm surges are also a risk along the populated coasts. Despite the frequency of violent storms, many of the buildings are not built to with stand a heavy battering from strong wind and rain.
Malls, garages and shops have all been stripped of food and water by hungry residents.
Red Cross said its 1,400 evacuation centers in the region were housing 330,000 people who had nowhere else to go after the storm.
some of the evacuation centers proved to be no protection against the wind and rising water.
What have you been doing for the last 84 hours?
What are you going to do for the next 84 hours?
When does salvaging/savaging become looting?
POST YOUR STORY, lets test our plan and preps in a real life scenario, this is said to be 31/2 times worse than Katrina.
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Post by ColcordMama on Nov 12, 2013 13:49:42 GMT -7
IMHO this is way more than I could deal with, even if I had every resource I have now here at my well-prepped home, not to mention in my bug out container (not a go bag, mine is a 36 gal tote packed to the rim). So I guess I drop to my knees and pray and wait for Him to answer. Call this a miserable fail. Sorry.
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Post by woodyz on Nov 12, 2013 14:04:25 GMT -7
IMHO this is way more than I could deal with, even if I had every resource I have now here at my well-prepped home, not to mention in my bug out container (not a go bag, mine is a 36 gal tote packed to the rim). So I guess I drop to my knees and pray and wait for Him to answer. Call this a miserable fail. Sorry. You are right, the scenario was just too complicated, I figured that out when I started working on my response, I should have limited the scope some. Maybe next time. Close it please |
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Post by ColcordMama on Nov 12, 2013 14:41:18 GMT -7
You got it. But I still think this is good food for thought. So come up with a different what if scenario, Z-man. Let's get our little grey cells working.
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