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Post by woodyz on Jan 12, 2014 2:45:50 GMT -7
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Post by marc on Jan 12, 2014 6:16:12 GMT -7
Looks like a nice deal, but factory built Smith and Wesson MP15 Sport's are available for the same price.
I had two (now one) and feel that they offer a very good rifle for the money. Mine came with a 1:8 5.56 barrel, Magpul dual aperture rear sight, A2 style front sight and two Pmag 30's for $637.00 plus tax. Yep, building is easy, but factory built from S&W is nice too.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 12, 2014 6:40:26 GMT -7
Looks like a nice deal, but factory built Smith and Wesson MP15 Sport's are available for the same price. I had two (now one) and feel that they offer a very good rifle for the money. Mine came with a 1:8 5.56 barrel, Magpul dual aperture rear sight, A2 style front sight and two Pmag 30's for $637.00 plus tax. Yep, building is easy, but factory built from S&W is nice too. 1:8 twist is just right for the 62 grain green tip in my experience. |
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Post by mud on Jan 12, 2014 7:09:09 GMT -7
my wilson barrel does pretty well shooting 64gr with a 1 in 9 but I would not go any heavier unless its absolutely all I had. out to 150yds which is all I have shot it holds nearly as well as my 55gr hand loads
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Post by marc on Jan 12, 2014 8:32:52 GMT -7
I chose the 1:8, trying to reach a compromise for flexibility. I've read that S&W has changed to 1:9 on their lower end model like my rifle.
I ran a small handful of .223 77gr HP through mine and it still out shoots me at 125 yards with open sights. After I put on a scope on it, I pushed .223 45gr HP and polymer tipped HV out much further and they seem to fly just fine, and hit the dead trees I was shooting at.
Maybe it's just a lack of observation skills on my part, but I just don't think that the lengths between the fast little 45gr and the longer, slower 77gr are a problem - inside the range that I use this rifle. I have a couple hundred more rounds of HP that and about 100 of the polymer tip put up, but the bulk of my ammo is 55gr and 62gr green tip because I buy what is cheap! (Yes, I even have some .223/55gr Tula steel stashed away)
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 12, 2014 9:14:44 GMT -7
I chose the 1:8, trying to reach a compromise for flexibility. I've read that S&W has changed to 1:9 on their lower end model like my rifle. I ran a small handful of .223 77gr HP through mine and it still out shoots me at 125 yards with open sights. After I put on a scope on it, I pushed .223 45gr HP and polymer tipped HV out much further and they seem to fly just fine, and hit the dead trees I was shooting at. Maybe it's just a lack of observation skills on my part, but I just don't think that the lengths between the fast little 45gr and the longer, slower 77gr are a problem - inside the range that I use this rifle. I have a couple hundred more rounds of HP that and about 100 of the polymer tip put up, but the bulk of my ammo is 55gr and 62gr green tip because I buy what is cheap! (Yes, I even have some .223/55gr Tula steel stashed away) At 125 yards, the differences would be nothing as long as they cycle. |
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Post by woodyz on Jan 12, 2014 18:16:28 GMT -7
The Gun Shop where my son n law works has them back down to $600.
But some people like to switch up hardware and the article was providing a review of the hardware and supplying links for parts.
Since all that gets registered, tracked, etc. is the receiver I have uppers in 5.56/308/22/9mm, they change out easy enough but you do have to re-sight them.
But really 150 yards? But then most of you are looking at urban engagements where 150 would be a long shot. I hope to stay out of urban situations.
I feel terrible that I can no longer hit a playing card past 300 when I used to be able to hit the black on an ace at 400 with an AR. Just don't have the eyes for it any more.
I doubt I will even use an AR in a survival situation, but I want my options open.
An AK does fine at 300 yards, but for distance I will more than likely use the .308 in a 22 inch long single shot. I know you can carry more AR mags/rounds, but the firearms themselves are about equal in weight in the configurations most people use/want now. I am reasonably sure most of those extra weight add ons will get striped away if things last too long.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 12, 2014 18:27:23 GMT -7
The Gun Shop where my son n law works has them back down to $600. But some people like to switch up hardware and the article was providing a review of the hardware and supplying links for parts. Since all that gets registered, tracked, etc. is the receiver I have uppers in 5.56/308/22/9mm, they change out easy enough but you do have to re-sight them. But really 150 yards? But then most of you are looking at urban engagements where 150 would be a long shot. I hope to stay out of urban situations. I feel terrible that I can no longer hit a playing card past 300 when I used to be able to hit the black on an ace at 400 with an AR. Just don't have the eyes for it any more. I doubt I will even use an AR in a survival situation, but I want my options open. An AK does fine at 300 yards, but for distance I will more than likely use the .308 in a 22 inch long single shot. I know you can carry more AR mags/rounds, but the firearms themselves are about equal in weight in the configurations most people use/want now. I am reasonably sure most of those extra weight add ons will get striped away if things last too long. If it gets down to that, my goto's are HK91, FN FAL, Winchester 1300, Glock 30, 1911. In saying that, I am familiar with several other platforms. Any platform that works properly is better than a rock. |
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Post by thywar on Jan 12, 2014 18:34:34 GMT -7
"Any platform that works properly is better than a rock."
That's exactly right and that's why I continue to hold onto the RG single action .22 revolver with its plastic grips.. Yep, I think that's the ultimate Saturday Night Sweetheart that goes bang every time.. sometimes it even hits the target.. and you should see me smile when that happens.. oh yeah..
PS (edit) I looked up that HK 91 and I think I can afford the swivel mounts for it.. maybe. ($3200? )
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Post by geron on Jan 12, 2014 18:34:42 GMT -7
The Gun Shop where my son n law works has them back down to $600. But some people like to switch up hardware and the article was providing a review of the hardware and supplying links for parts. Since all that gets registered, tracked, etc. is the receiver I have uppers in 5.56/308/22/9mm, they change out easy enough but you do have to re-sight them. But really 150 yards? But then most of you are looking at urban engagements where 150 would be a long shot. I hope to stay out of urban situations. I feel terrible that I can no longer hit a playing card past 300 when I used to be able to hit the black on an ace at 400 with an AR. Just don't have the eyes for it any more. I doubt I will even use an AR in a survival situation, but I want my options open. An AK does fine at 300 yards, but for distance I will more than likely use the .308 in a 22 inch long single shot. I know you can carry more AR mags/rounds, but the firearms themselves are about equal in weight in the configurations most people use/want now. I am reasonably sure most of those extra weight add ons will get striped away if things last too long. If it gets down to that, my goto's are HK91, FN FAL, Winchester 1300, Glock 30, 1911. In saying that, I am familiar with several other platforms. Any platform that works properly is better than a rock. Just curious CWI555, why the 1300 over the 870? |
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Post by woodyz on Jan 12, 2014 18:37:12 GMT -7
As some one already said, I just hope that after I pass and when my wife sells off my guns, she gets what they are worth and not what I told her I paid.
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Post by thywar on Jan 12, 2014 18:39:48 GMT -7
As some one already said, I just hope that after I pass and when my wife sells off my guns, she gets what they are worth and not what I told her I paid. Now that's classic right there.. lmao |
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 12, 2014 18:51:09 GMT -7
If it gets down to that, my goto's are HK91, FN FAL, Winchester 1300, Glock 30, 1911. In saying that, I am familiar with several other platforms. Any platform that works properly is better than a rock. Just curious CWI555, why the 1300 over the 870? 1300 defender is the speed pump action. They are not produced anymore, but I have multiples and parts. From the standpoint of rolling a round in, the Winchester works very well. The speed pump assist in racking a round in, with practice allows a fire rate as if the tube was perpetually loaded. |
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 12, 2014 18:55:02 GMT -7
"Any platform that works properly is better than a rock." That's exactly right and that's why I continue to hold onto the RG single action .22 revolver with its plastic grips.. Yep, I think that's the ultimate Saturday Night Sweetheart that goes bang every time.. sometimes it even hits the target.. and you should see me smile when that happens.. oh yeah.. PS (edit) I looked up that HK 91 and I think I can afford the swivel mounts for it.. maybe. ($3200? ) look up the ptr91, same action, built to HK specs, and in my opinion, every bit as good as the original. I have both, and cannot detect any performance difference except the PTR is 1/4 the price of the original. |
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Post by thywar on Jan 12, 2014 18:59:27 GMT -7
The least expensive one on their website is $1245.. but the good thing on their website is they're leaving the communist state of CT (no disrespect to our members who are currently living there) and moving their ops to SC.
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