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Post by cajunlady87 on Jun 1, 2014 8:28:34 GMT -7
I was reading an article in regards to auto batteries and it mentioned several of the components of metals used in their manufacture, lead being one. Now if my memory serves me correctly, the last lead processing plant was closed Dec. 31, 1913 which didn't sit too well with ammo manufacturers. Aren't these batteries also capable of keeping solar panels running, if I got that part right, how can solar panels and vehicles keep running if lead is no longer processed in the U.S. to use in making these large batteries? Is lead present in household batteries also? Is it now being imported to us? Has an Einstein created a substitute?  CWI corrected the date above in my quote below in his response. It should read Dec. 31, 2013.  |
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Post by thywar on Jun 1, 2014 8:37:01 GMT -7
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Post by thywar on Jun 1, 2014 8:38:57 GMT -7
As for how they continue I guess they'll have to import it. Making batteries more expensive.
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Post by mud on Jun 1, 2014 12:45:51 GMT -7
Last battery i bought the core charge went from 5.00 to 9.00
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Post by Cwi555 on Jun 1, 2014 14:54:27 GMT -7
I was reading an article in regards to auto batteries and it mentioned several of the components of metals used in their manufacture, lead being one. Now if my memory serves me correctly, the last lead processing plant was closed Dec. 31, (corrected 2013) which didn't sit too well with ammo manufacturers. Aren't these batteries also capable of keeping solar panels running, if I got that part right, how can solar panels and vehicles keep running if lead is no longer processed in the U.S. to use in making these large batteries? Is lead present in household batteries also? Is it now being imported to us? Has an Einstein created a substitute? The solar panels charge the batteries. We have an alternative purchased from surplus auction, but ~85 percent of folks out there use lead batteries, with the remaining people out there using some alternative. Some people use capacitors, others use lithium based batteries (just as bad or worse in their own way), etc. The primary source of lead is now from Peru. At the same time they closed the plant in Missouri, they opened new ones in Peru. Through free trade agreements, the corporations get them cheaper, but use the plant closings as an excuse to charge more, both for manufacturer, and disposal. Environmentalist in the United States and large parts of Europe cannot see the forest for the trees. Shutting the plants down here, only moves them somewhere else far less friendly to the environment. To hear them speak, they did this for the planet, but nearly across the board, they are crapping up the planet worse and playing into the hands of the global corporations they decry. Creation of electricity is relatively easy and cheap. The rat in the wood pile is storage of that electricity. Finding exact data on that is very hard to find. Transportation is less than 30 percent efficient. EIATo express the efficiency of a generator or power plant as a percentage, divide the equivalent Btu content of a kWh of electricity (which is 3,412 Btu) by the heat rate. For example, if the heat rate is 10,140 Btu, the efficiency is 34%. If the heat rate is 7,500 Btu, the efficiency is 45%. If you want to figure efficiency, that's how you go about it. The water gets really muddy after that. I would be surprised if the energy produced:Energy used for work is over twenty percent. That gets us back to storage, local storage to be specific. If we had the energy wasted, we could probably power the country two times over. Less energy wasted = less energy required to be generated. Less energy generated = less environmental impact. So to solve this problem, they promote the use of lithium and lead, at the same time denying it's production in the U.S.... makes perfect government sense. |
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Post by cajunlady87 on Jun 1, 2014 17:05:31 GMT -7
CWI, I got the biggest laugh at my own expense. Thanks for the correction.  Too, thanks guys for the responses, I'm a little clearer on the subject now. Either way we're gonna be paying more out of the zwazoo for the bigger batteries no matter their uses.  |
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Post by Cwi555 on Jun 1, 2014 17:26:49 GMT -7
Marc and TJ would have some insight on the subject, hopefully they will chime in.
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Post by cajunlady87 on Jun 1, 2014 17:38:33 GMT -7
I wasn't aware of the many metals necessary to build these larger batteries. I'm sure I haven't touched the tip of the iceberg as to the many products or other items lead plays a part in. But at least now I know this and why larger battery prices will increase which is something I'm more familiar with. |
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Post by Redneckidokie on Jun 1, 2014 21:01:00 GMT -7
For along time I was going to the local metal recycling place and buying all I could get on a 3/4 ton 4x4 about once a month. Now they still buy it but say EPA won't let them resell it.  |
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Post by woodyz on Jun 1, 2014 23:46:45 GMT -7
Want/need lead for reloading? About twice a year when I am visiting my Daughters and Grandbabies in KY, I get permission to go out to the shooting range attached to the gun store my Son-n-Law works at and I use hardware cloth a bucket and a shovel and sift out the dirt berm behind the pistol target range. I can get a 5 gallon bucket of lead and copper in about 45 minutes. The lead melts out and I make small bricks to store, the left over copper I sell. I'll never use it all, but its not like it evaporates or anything, I just stack it up and use a brick once in a while. I figure I may find some other use for it sometime. It used to be pretty easy to get lead window weights, but they are about all gone. The bigger tire repair/retailers recycle their wheel weights, but the smaller ones throw them into a bucket, they are more than happy to have some fool like me come in and take a bucket or two. They have to pay a hazard fee if they take it to the dump and they don't have enough to recycle it. Just another supply I use. Since I live about 10 miles from a nuclear plant, maybe I should be stacking the bricks to make a box I can hide in when it goes up. |
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Post by woodyz on Jun 2, 2014 0:06:13 GMT -7
They make "solar" batteries, but I just use deep cycle marine batteries, they are cheaper. (Not USMC but boats)
Which reminds me of something I wanted to say. I have some "proof of concept" solar panels, along with a "proof of concept" windmill, but I have a "battery bank" I keep charged with my house electric system. I don't really notice any difference in my bill (its always too high) but I have the availability of using the batteries if needed.
We do use solar panels to "maintain" the boat and RV batteries. They work well.
A couple of years ago, the RV had a roll up canvas canopy that got ripped when a limb fell on it at the lake. When I took the "roller device" off I was left with a 1 1/2" aluminum channel attached to the RV wall, the replacement roll out canopy and a set of solar panels were about the same price. All I did different was gat a length of aluminum hinge at Home Depot, ran one side through the channel and screwed the other to the solar panels aluminum frame so I have a raise up roof/shade of solar panels instead of a canopy. Doesn't always get the best sun when we camp, but it is functional. I put it down it straps against the side of the RV and pulls just fine. It charges the batteries fine and I can move it around the yard to get the best sun, if I want to get a full charge before we go out.
Off topic again! Sorry!
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Post by marc on Jun 2, 2014 4:49:23 GMT -7
Woody, I'd love to see a picture of what that awning looks like!
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Post by USCGME2 on Jun 2, 2014 19:55:27 GMT -7
Can shot be made at home somehow from melted lead? I know they use a tower of some sort to make it but, could a process for the homestead be put in play?
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Post by woodyz on Jun 2, 2014 21:26:38 GMT -7
Woody, I'd love to see a picture of what that awning looks like! I will try and get a picture, but I am wary of that any more. Some pictures I took of prep related stuff ended up biting me on the beehiney when they got posted on facebook. Not anyone on here, I have never had a problem of that nature from here. It was a Grand Daughter, so I said I wasn't doing any more prep related pics, but If I can get a pic without any background or any identifying images, I will do it. My Son sit on his motor cycle for the first time since his wreck today 3 months plus. He still as a brace on left leg and arm and is to to put any weight on the leg. It isn't rebuilt yet so he was not going anywhere gost sitting, But he did start the bike he isnt ready to do more than sit and srart so he idsint goihngto take fvv |
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Post by kutkota on Jun 3, 2014 2:39:23 GMT -7
Can shot be made at home somehow from melted lead? I know they use a tower of some sort to make it but, could a process for the homestead be put in play? Shot gun shot? I know you can but i dint know particulars. |
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