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Post by kutkota on Sept 3, 2014 18:14:14 GMT -7
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Post by Ceorlmann on Sept 4, 2014 1:22:32 GMT -7
Makes one wonder how long these have been intercepting cell traffic before anyone high profile finally acknowledged their presence.
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Post by marc on Sept 4, 2014 5:21:28 GMT -7
Seems like a bigger, more capable version of the portable "Stingray" setups that have been in use for at least 4 years. Interesting.....
Marc
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 4, 2014 5:39:45 GMT -7
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Post by Logarius on Sept 4, 2014 7:02:03 GMT -7
So how exactly does one figure out if one of these towers is nearby? Is there a widget you can buy other than a high dollar cell?
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 4, 2014 9:02:59 GMT -7
So how exactly does one figure out if one of these towers is nearby? Is there a widget you can buy other than a high dollar cell? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk There are some apps that will help but they are not fool proof. The average person can use their smart phone with a speed test app. The earlier versions of these towers would kick you down to 3g or 2g, but we're later updated to spoof the phone into a false feed back that it was still reading 4g. The speed test will give actual speed which with a log and averaging of an area with known 4g, can determine if your getting actual 4g. You would also need your providers coverage map to tie it all together. Once you believe you have identified a suspect area, you would need to triangulate it by driving around looking for the same thing until you have at least three points. Draw an intersecting line from the center of each face of that triangle. If that intersects a cell tower it's a high probability it's a fake tower. Other than that, it requires specific gear.
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Post by thywar on Sept 4, 2014 10:28:57 GMT -7
It's good info to know they do this but even if you know about a specific tower what options are available to you? Other than what you should already be doing. OPSEC
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Post by garret on Sept 4, 2014 12:04:59 GMT -7
apparently they were found out by people using a cryptophone 500 which uses a hardened version of the android operating system and can detect base band attacks (this from infowars)
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 4, 2014 16:36:34 GMT -7
apparently they were found out by people using a cryptophone 500 which uses a hardened version of the android operating system and can detect base band attacks (this from infowars) That is not the only way to detect it.
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 4, 2014 16:40:36 GMT -7
It's good info to know they do this but even if you know about a specific tower what options are available to you? Other than what you should already be doing. OPSEC There are no good options other than not depending on your phone when it hits the fan. It amazes me all the talk of electronic files, thumbdrives, and smart phone apps for survival?
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Post by marc on Sept 4, 2014 17:18:08 GMT -7
Once people truly understand the amplitude ( ) of chaos that will be triggered by either a man made targeted pulse or a broad spectrum CME event, their plans will change. No, I'm not saying that every device will die in every place, all at the same time - but I would not gamble my future on any of them. We have discussed before, but it doesn't hurt to repeat it: So called Faraday cage protection in particular. Electrically floating above "ground" is helpful for one particular instance, if you can define what ground is for that instance. Not as easy as it sounds. But that could be exactly the worst way to go for another scenario. You have to know about the particular characteristics of an event - before it happens, in order to effectively protect against it. I am hoping that we see a mid/mild solar event to serve as a wake up slap! "Oh crap, it could have been tens times more powerful!" So called experts will argue indefinitely, but my firm position is simple: Roll the dice on how you choose protect individual devices, but kiss all public utilities like phones/cell towers, power grid and therefore water supply, goodbye. Again, I'm not trying to tell you (cwi555) anything - you've already been there and done that. Just sharing my opinion after looking at the problem for a lot of years, and speaking with some world class guys studying it.
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 4, 2014 17:52:19 GMT -7
I have worked up what I believe are viable solutions, but the only people ever to test such solutions under real conditions is the military. A good portion of my work was based on back engineering after taking apart several military surplus items and getting a firm fix on materials and design. After that it was field research and some experimentation. There was also mu metal Faraday cages for met lab emf sensitive equipment and shielding office areas from welding process induced emf.
At the end of the day, I suspect actual values will remain classified for some time to come. Any input I can add to my files is always welcomed.I think my gear will work, but as always, without trial by fire, there is no way to be 100 percent confident. It could all get smoked, therefore I maintain hard copy files and the means to reconstruct as best I can critical equipment. Cell phones, thumb drives, computers etc don't make that list.
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Post by cowgirlup on Sept 4, 2014 18:15:08 GMT -7
How can someone/group/non US gov entity just go and put up a cell tower someplace? It has to be expensive. What about the land owner? Most of the time a cell tower is being put up there is major discussion, people opposing it...etc.
This is just extra strange to me.
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Post by thywar on Sept 4, 2014 18:30:57 GMT -7
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Post by Cwi555 on Sept 5, 2014 14:03:23 GMT -7
How can someone/group/non US gov entity just go and put up a cell tower someplace? It has to be expensive. What about the land owner? Most of the time a cell tower is being put up there is major discussion, people opposing it...etc. This is just extra strange to me. Never said it wasn't U.S. government.
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