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Post by missasip on May 19, 2012 12:20:12 GMT -7
I’ve wanted to speak to this subject for a while. I feel pretty sure after a major EMP event, we can still make life a bit easier and recover faster. There are some ways to power our lives without batteries or the grid. As has been stated before, if you own a vehicle from the per 1974 era, good chance it will survive. I guess my question is will the batteries? Without battery power to give the engine the spark the coil and points/condenser need the early model car is up S&%tCreek. In my situation, my little Yammer tractor would suffice as it is diesel powered and uses a manual fuel pump shutoff. All I need is a small hill which to park my tractor and with a small shove down the hill, it’s up and running. A lot of older gas models could be done the same way, even it the battery was totally dead and no charging was taking place. Along with some older mowers, chainsaws…. How pray tell you say!?!?! Magnetos. Only thing left using them are a few HIGH horsepower race engines. But they will work in a street motor also. science.howstuffworks.com/question375.htmMy thinking says a small magneto, with no electronics will survive an EMP event. I worked on tractor mags for several years back in the ‘70s. We had a mag bench to test ‘em when through with repairs or tune up. It’s been even longer, but fooled with Mallory mags back in the early ‘70s too. They are still made today. I’m thinking Accel also made them. Of course fuel will be the biggie. But if one was to have a goodly amount of whatever fuel it is he uses, he will be able to continue on for at least a while. If a renewable fuel source is developed then all the better. I even hate to bring fuel into the conversation. Anyway, thought this might bring up some conversation. Jimmy
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Post by Cwi555 on May 19, 2012 12:45:47 GMT -7
Good points and definitely worth discussion and a sticky.
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Post by angelhelp on May 19, 2012 12:45:51 GMT -7
I remember magnetos from my early days taking flying lessons. One more thing on the checklist...
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Post by missasip on May 19, 2012 12:47:25 GMT -7
Good points and definitely worth discussion and a sticky. I was hoping you would chime in! Thanks Jimmy
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Post by missasip on May 19, 2012 12:48:17 GMT -7
I remember magnetos from my early days taking flying lessons. One more thing on the checklist... Yep, cuz they supply their own spark and are very dependeble. Jimmy
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Post by Cwi555 on May 19, 2012 13:09:46 GMT -7
Keep the elements of the magneto apart to prevent polarization. Other than that, a magneto is fairly robust when it comes to EMP.
Protection from damage is easy. Keep the armature and the coils separate from the magnets. Keep the capacitor hooked up so if a strong enough field is induced to the coil pack (primary and secondary usually in one pack) does receive enough emp to be affected, it will act as it normally does. a simple spark plug grounded to a plate will spark off that excess energy leaving the coil pack intact.
That is the worst case scenario for a magneto. I would not expect enough of a magnetic field to trip off the coil pack unless your at ground zero for the EMP wave.
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Post by missasip on May 19, 2012 13:32:58 GMT -7
Keep the elements of the magneto apart to prevent polarization. Other than that, a magneto is fairly robust when it comes to EMP. Protection from damage is easy. Keep the armature and the coils separate from the magnets. Keep the capacitor hooked up so if a strong enough field is induced to the coil pack (primary and secondary usually in one pack) does receive enough emp to be affected, it will act as it normally does. a simple spark plug grounded to a plate will spark off that excess energy leaving the coil pack intact. That is the worst case scenario for a magneto. I would not expect enough of a magnetic field to trip off the coil pack unless your at ground zero for the EMP wave. My thoughts too. I would disassemble it and store in different locations. Great idea for the grounding of the coil pack with a spark plug.... Jimmy
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 21:53:06 GMT -7
Would it be possible to make a rig running with these maneto things work with biodeisel? Its something folks can learn to make at home realatively easily. I am just curious...I like the idea about the Yanmar tractor...I am going to be getting a 3500D Yanamar from my mom. The International 300 I have is just to hard for me to steer...it has powerful steering instead of power steering.
Can one make the yanmar work with biodeisel?
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Post by Cwi555 on May 19, 2012 21:56:24 GMT -7
Would it be possible to make a rig running with these maneto things work with biodeisel? Its something folks can learn to make at home realatively easily. I am just curious...I like the idea about the Yanmar tractor...I am going to be getting a 3500D Yanamar from my mom. The International 300 I have is just to hard for me to steer...it has powerful steering instead of power steering. Can one make the yanmar work with biodeisel? I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 22:03:13 GMT -7
I guess my next question would be...can you give up a couple links or directions for how to make biodeisel and how to convert an engine to use it? Thanks for the idea Jimmy!!!!
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Post by missasip on May 19, 2012 22:18:02 GMT -7
Would it be possible to make a rig running with these maneto things work with biodeisel? Its something folks can learn to make at home realatively easily. I am just curious...I like the idea about the Yanmar tractor...I am going to be getting a 3500D Yanamar from my mom. The International 300 I have is just to hard for me to steer...it has powerful steering instead of power steering. Can one make the yanmar work with biodeisel? To be clear, you won't need a magneto for anything that uses deisel already. Which is what you would use biodeisel. Magnetos are needed for engines that use sparkplugs. Gasoline, propane, natural gas, woodsmoke, alky would be those fuels. Just making sure we are talking apples and oranges.... Jimmy
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 22:44:14 GMT -7
Would it be possible to make a rig running with these maneto things work with biodeisel? Its something folks can learn to make at home realatively easily. I am just curious...I like the idea about the Yanmar tractor...I am going to be getting a 3500D Yanamar from my mom. The International 300 I have is just to hard for me to steer...it has powerful steering instead of power steering. Can one make the yanmar work with biodeisel? To be clear, you won't need a magneto for anything that uses deisel already. Which is what you would use biodeisel. Magnetos are needed for engines that use sparkplugs. Gasoline, propane, natural gas, woodsmoke, alky would be those fuels. Just making sure we are talking apples and oranges.... Jimmy Ok...I thought we were talking strawberries and kiwi!! Glad you straightened me out!
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Post by Cwi555 on May 20, 2012 5:01:24 GMT -7
Would it be possible to make a rig running with these maneto things work with biodeisel? Its something folks can learn to make at home realatively easily. I am just curious...I like the idea about the Yanmar tractor...I am going to be getting a 3500D Yanamar from my mom. The International 300 I have is just to hard for me to steer...it has powerful steering instead of power steering. Can one make the yanmar work with biodeisel? To be clear, you won't need a magneto for anything that uses deisel already. Which is what you would use biodeisel. Magnetos are needed for engines that use sparkplugs. Gasoline, propane, natural gas, woodsmoke, alky would be those fuels. Just making sure we are talking apples and oranges.... Jimmy This is true. I misread dinks question. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by mud on May 20, 2012 22:00:47 GMT -7
I have a question about a more modern tractor. I have a Kubota 2350 diesel but is hydrostatic. I know you cannot easily start an auto car by pushing but it is possible with the a lenco transmition.(has a clutch like a manual) The other question is more complex to my meager mind.
OK I store it in a metal barn which is in contact with the ground on 3 sides, the tractor itself is grounded by the implements I leave on(angle blade and bucket). would that grounding mitigate any of the emp effects?
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Post by missasip on May 21, 2012 7:35:09 GMT -7
I have a question about a more modern tractor. I have a Kubota 2350 diesel but is hydrostatic. I know you cannot easily start an auto car by pushing but it is possible with the a lenco transmition.(has a clutch like a manual) The other question is more complex to my meager mind. OK I store it in a metal barn which is in contact with the ground on 3 sides, the tractor itself is grounded by the implements I leave on(angle blade and bucket). would that grounding mitigate any of the emp effects? You would risk damage to the seals in the transmission if you attempt to pull/push start it. The fluid would be moving without true direction. True clutch powered manual trannys are pretty much it, as far as pushing/pulling off. Jimmy
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