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Post by woodyz on Oct 11, 2013 16:50:08 GMT -7
Yes! Already bought the land. Worried some about the New Madrid Fault and earthquakes, also don't like being so close to Fort Campbell, but its an hour from both my girls and 3/4 of my Grandkids. I can't get them to come closer to retreat #1 so...............its kind of if you build it they will come.
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Post by cajunlady87 on Oct 11, 2013 16:55:06 GMT -7
OH! I thought we were describing what NOT to do. We are describing what NOT to do, which is do not leave a sign or trail to your bunker, hideout, BOL, etc. to call attention to its location.
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 12, 2013 12:40:46 GMT -7
Yes! Already bought the land. Worried some about the New Madrid Fault and earthquakes, also don't like being so close to Fort Campbell, but its an hour from both my girls and 3/4 of my Grandkids. I can't get them to come closer to retreat #1 so...............its kind of if you build it they will come. That places you near Clarksville if your still in TN. I would advise against normal reinforced subterranean concrete structures in that area.
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Post by woodyz on Oct 12, 2013 13:45:40 GMT -7
That's what I have been saying. I can't just dig a hole and pour some concrete slabs. "Hiding" the fact it is more than a living space is the least of my worries at this point.
I need to consider surviving an earthquake, the gulf backing up into the Mississippi, and the possibility of hurricane force winds.
Except for Fort Campbell I have remoteness and some high ground on my side.
I have drilling going on now to find the bedrock.
I needed to be within a specific range of my girls, MO I would have to go West past Poplar Bluff and AK West past Batesville to avoid the Mississippi flood plain, and those were out of range. I refuse to live in IL, so I was pretty well left with KY and TN.
I got as far from Clarksville as I could and still avoid the Mississippi East flood plain.
Its just how it worked out, now I have to figure out what to do with what I was able to get.
So silo and low profile domes are what I am looking at. Unconventional building materials is an understood.
I have to figure out what's the best I can do and then do it. If it doesn't work and we all die, then I guess it won't much matter to us.
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Post by kutkota on Oct 12, 2013 14:02:59 GMT -7
That's what I have been saying. I can't just dig a hole and pour some concrete slabs. "Hiding" the fact it is more than a living space is the least of my worries at this point. I need to consider surviving an earthquake, the gulf backing up into the Mississippi, and the possibility of hurricane force winds. Except for Fort Campbell I have remoteness and some high ground on my side. I have drilling going on now to find the bedrock. I needed to be within a specific range of my girls, MO I would have to go West past Poplar Bluff and AK West past Batesville to avoid the Mississippi flood plain, and those were out of range. I refuse to live in IL, so I was pretty well left with KY and TN. I got as far from Clarksville as I could and still avoid the Mississippi East flood plain. Its just how it worked out, now I have to figure out what to do with what I was able to get. So silo and low profile domes are what I am looking at. Unconventional building materials is an understood. I have to figure out what's the best I can do and then do it. If it doesn't work and we all die, then I guess it won't much matter to us. Question, Is buried "bunker" the preffered method of construction of those on here that currently have or are building? I ask because as we start to look at land as well as begin to look at construction I would think it would greatly impact the land decision based off of the building design, correct? I am thinking with what we are looking at with the abilities of the those involved as well as a desire to live/play on it during the weekend retreats and what not a buried bunker is not what we are thinking at the time. Just looking for a happy medium I suppose.
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Post by woodyz on Oct 12, 2013 14:41:47 GMT -7
It is my opinion that your situation does not warrant a buried bunker.
Several good points have been brought out on this post that should be considered. What do you intend to use it for? What are your shelter options? Do you need to consider defensibility and how much of that consideration effects the location and type of structure you end up with? Does the location lend itself to future additional construction, including some type/amount of concealment? What type of items and how much volume do you intend to store or stock?
Finding a location that can be used long term in the way you want to use it, comes first. Then take baby steps and feel your way toward what you can do when you can do it.
I am 40 years into things. I have bought and sold places the started out fine but didn't fit into my evolving plans.
Don't be afraid to start. Look for the best you can find at the time and don't be afraid to change your plan when it needs changed.
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Post by woodyz on Oct 12, 2013 16:10:48 GMT -7
Yes! Already bought the land. Worried some about the New Madrid Fault and earthquakes, also don't like being so close to Fort Campbell, but its an hour from both my girls and 3/4 of my Grandkids. I can't get them to come closer to retreat #1 so...............its kind of if you build it they will come. That places you near Clarksville if your still in TN. I would advise against normal reinforced subterranean concrete structures in that area. Anything I missed about being in that location? Closer to Paris then Clarksville
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 12, 2013 16:44:05 GMT -7
That places you near Clarksville if your still in TN. I would advise against normal reinforced subterranean concrete structures in that area. Anything I missed about being in that location? Closer to Paris then Clarksville Being closer to Paris puts you on the other side/near the Cumberland River. It's also closer seismically. The area is also used for a training ground for the 160th SOAR. Plan your opsec around that.
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Post by woodyz on Oct 12, 2013 17:40:11 GMT -7
Yes its not a question of if but when the New Madrid goes again. Anything that was able to change the course of the Mississippi River and make it flow backward for 10 hours was not a little shake.
The USGS recently issued a fact sheet reiterating the estimate of a 10% chance of a New Madrid earthquake of magnitude comparable to those of 1811–1812 within the next 50 years, and a greater chance of a magnitude 6.0 earthquake in the same time frame.
So I thinking a 10% chance isn't too bad, with a history of good shakes every 600 years. I am hoping either we get a littler one or a big enough one I won't care.
I have been knocked out of bed by one from it in the 90's and felt quite a few.
I am pretty familiar with the groups at/out of Fort Campbell.
If the military is on my side it will be a good thing if not then ......................
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Post by woodyz on Oct 12, 2013 19:28:45 GMT -7
After all, I was a structural engineer with experience in seismic upgrading of goberment buildings, specializing in nuclear construction/upgrade, so it atleast has my creative juices flowing.
I know CWI will understand when I say I intend to use a semi-active fluid and friction tuned damper system.
It fits right in with my silo construction and I can use my stored water as my fluid source in my center column, using the different floor/level supports like shock absorbers. The whole structure will be allowed to move and the water column in the middle will absorb the vibrations.
The walls of the silo will be rebar enforced filled concrete blocks all tied together so the entire structure will move as a single piece.
It can't be tied to the bedrock but it will need to sit on a bedrock tied pedestal. I really think it will work, too bad I haven't thought of a way to get the goberment to pay for it.
I apologize for getting this thread so far of track, it just kind of grew that way.
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 12, 2013 19:37:56 GMT -7
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Post by woodyz on Oct 12, 2013 19:55:26 GMT -7
That's it alright. If anyone still used turn tables to play records (those black discs that went round and round) you would see a heavy round weight used now on the arm holding the needle, that is a vibration damper. Same principal, but vertical and fluid. I am going to let water in the vertical chamber slosh back and forth to absorb the earthquake vibrations. Then big shock absorber like iron beams will stabilize the silo but allow it to move as it needs to. At least that is the theory in practice.
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Post by USCGME2 on Oct 12, 2013 20:21:45 GMT -7
Ok, Im going to sit in the corner now with the big pointy hat.
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 12, 2013 20:57:17 GMT -7
That's it alright. If anyone still used turn tables to play records (those black discs that went round and round) you would see a heavy round weight used now on the arm holding the needle, that is a vibration damper. Same principal, but vertical and fluid. I am going to let water in the vertical chamber slosh back and forth to absorb the earthquake vibrations. Then big shock absorber like iron beams will stabilize the silo but allow it to move as it needs to. At least that is the theory in practice. For your application and location, a TMD, is a bit on the overkill side both in cost and scope. Lead rubber bearings as depicted above, would get the job done as long as your mat is properly laid on or tied to bed rock.
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Post by thywar on Oct 13, 2013 3:19:02 GMT -7
Ok, Im going to sit in the corner now with the big pointy hat. Scoot over. I'll bring my own pointy hat
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