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Post by cajunlady87 on Oct 1, 2013 17:40:21 GMT -7
Preppers from all walks of life nationwide have collectively spent millions of dollars building shelters or bunkers in isolated areas to avoid any chaos should TSHF. They range from buried cemented structures, cargo containers, buried wood framed structures, military silos, the list goes on and on. Most are well stocked to the hilt not wanting or needing anything for years and enough weaponry to arm a small army and high tech surveillance to boot.
I think it's kewl, more power to you if you're able to do it. But, if you're capable of going to those extremes to protect you and you're family, why in the world is their entrance so visible to stick out like a sore thumb. To me it defeats the purpose of it's whole intention. Am I the only one who thinks it's no biggie to not hide your entrance and call attention to your hideaway?
One other thing I've noticed in some pics which show entrances to hideouts or BOL's whose entrances are concealed quite well is that they have dozens of ATV trails leading to them from all directions. Granted in time overgrowth can conceal those but the nasty ruts will still be obvious.
What do you think?
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Post by jmarshnh on Oct 1, 2013 17:55:32 GMT -7
Ya know CL, I agree with you but I think the ones you are describing are the television preppers. The ones that need their 5 minutes of fame and show off their wealth. In a real situation they couldn't survive their way out of a burning bag of sh__! I would take my chances with anyone one on this forum way before I would even think about being close to them. To us it is a way of life, to them it is a fad. Gotta go now, grab another COORS and a bowl of chili! Jim
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Post by kutkota on Oct 1, 2013 18:12:54 GMT -7
Why would you ruin chili with coors!
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Post by cajunlady87 on Oct 1, 2013 18:13:11 GMT -7
I would hope to think you're right about me only describing the t.v. preppers but I seriously doubt it. The t.v. preppers are so gullible and buy everything these salesmen tell them or want to sell them. If these salesmen are so smart why don't they devise more secretive entrances and exits totally unseen. There's just so much wrong with their plans.
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Post by missasip on Oct 1, 2013 18:14:02 GMT -7
I agree with both y'all...loose lips sink ships... Jimmy
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Post by cajunlady87 on Oct 1, 2013 18:25:06 GMT -7
I agree with both y'all...loose lips sink ships... Jimmy You got it dude. What's the point of having a 3' thick stainless steel door that sticks out like a sore thumb and the military has the fire power to blow the whole shelter out of the ground
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Post by garret on Oct 2, 2013 1:18:08 GMT -7
one of my friends back in the uk built an underground shelter, the entrance was under his kiddies sand pit that he made, the pit had a cover so you could lift it up and when you pulled it back down the sand stayed in the box, when people asked about the cover for it he told them it was to stop the next door neibors cat crapping in it lol.
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Post by graf on Oct 2, 2013 2:05:43 GMT -7
Its all about ego, we live in a "look at me society" examples= twitter,facebook. etc. I think its a stupid move to broadcast that you have a bunker and if you do don't cry when someone takes it from you.
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Post by missasip on Oct 2, 2013 6:42:08 GMT -7
Its all about ego, we live in a "look at me society" examples= twitter,facebook. etc. I think its a stupid move to broadcast that you have a bunker and if you do don't cry when someone takes it from you. Did you ever nail that one. I agree 100%. No whiners please.... Jimmy
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Post by jmarshnh on Oct 2, 2013 9:55:03 GMT -7
Why would you ruin chili with coors! Cause I couldn't find my Crown Royal. Jim
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 2, 2013 16:44:32 GMT -7
I would hope to think you're right about me only describing the t.v. preppers but I seriously doubt it. The t.v. preppers are so gullible and buy everything these salesmen tell them or want to sell them. If these salesmen are so smart why don't they devise more secretive entrances and exits totally unseen. There's just so much wrong with their plans. Its all about ego, we live in a "look at me society" examples= twitter,facebook. etc. I think its a stupid move to broadcast that you have a bunker and if you do don't cry when someone takes it from you. If by broadcast you mean in the context of CL's post, I agree. The TV preppers are basically a joke. Then again, I suspect that is the intent of the producers, to make them all look stupid and crazy.
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Post by insaneh on Oct 3, 2013 2:37:53 GMT -7
I would hope to think you're right about me only describing the t.v. preppers but I seriously doubt it. The t.v. preppers are so gullible and buy everything these salesmen tell them or want to sell them. If these salesmen are so smart why don't they devise more secretive entrances and exits totally unseen. There's just so much wrong with their plans. Its all about ego, we live in a "look at me society" examples= twitter,facebook. etc. I think its a stupid move to broadcast that you have a bunker and if you do don't cry when someone takes it from you. If by broadcast you mean in the context of CL's post, I agree. The TV preppers are basically a joke. Then again, I suspect that is the intent of the producers, to make them all look stupid and crazy. Nailed it cwi. I've got an online friend that is associated with the "Hippie girl" and told me that the producers go out of their way to find the oddity parts of preppers and focus on them. While many of us prep for a multitude of scenarios, the producers make them pick one. This adds to the mentality that were all a little on the loopy side.
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Post by Cwi555 on Oct 3, 2013 5:10:07 GMT -7
After some thought, I believe CL has hit on something very significant. So much so, that I took off work a few hours yesterday evening to evaluate our home and bol through that lens.
We don't use mechanized travel to and from the primary bol, and the entrances are well camouflaged, but sure enough there were noticeable sign of passage. Looking at our home, it was clear which entrance was used the most, as well as which direction of travel was more prevalent when exiting the property.
All of those things could spell trouble from an observant raider. That abstract sign of where the entrances and exits are, negates the value of a well disguised passage entrance. Having noted that, it occurred to me that we have been suffering a case of normalcy bias. Over time the signs of passage were created slowly. We simply couldn't see them as they were normal to us. To someone not familiar with the ground in questioned, it stands out like a neon sign.
If you have a bol, or simply a favorite area for caches, or a preferred habit of leaving or entering your property, I would suggest evaluating through that same lens.
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Post by mud on Oct 3, 2013 5:48:14 GMT -7
I checked one of our exits should we leave on foot and it is well hidden....so well I missed it knowing where it was. But we n3ver actually use it for anything besides bug out drills every 6 mo or so. Our property has gametrails we use and some neighbors ride atv there but those trails dont go anywhere but in a cir le
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Post by cajunlady87 on Oct 3, 2013 8:27:12 GMT -7
After some thought, I believe CL has hit on something very significant. So much so, that I took off work a few hours yesterday evening to evaluate our home and bol through that lens. We don't use mechanized travel to and from the primary bol, and the entrances are well camouflaged, but sure enough there were noticeable sign of passage. Looking at our home, it was clear which entrance was used the most, as well as which direction of travel was more prevalent when exiting the property. All of those things could spell trouble from an observant raider. That abstract sign of where the entrances and exits are, negates the value of a well disguised passage entrance. Having noted that, it occurred to me that we have been suffering a case of normalcy bias. Over time the signs of passage were created slowly. We simply couldn't see them as they were normal to us. To someone not familiar with the ground in questioned, it stands out like a neon sign. If you have a bol, or simply a favorite area for caches, or a preferred habit of leaving or entering your property, I would suggest evaluating through that same lens. Thanks cwi, glad my post helped you realize this important factor. Having read many articles about BOL's and hiding caches, most articles mention this tip and it stuck with me, therefore I thought it was well worth mentioning. I deem it a challenge but it will make a great difference on a security level and should be a constant reminder to all those involved in their training of escape plans. More than likely not everyone in a group will arrive to their BOL destination as a single group. Even if they did I feel it would be wise to still devise a method to get there using different avenues. Large groups will be doing lots of trampling of surrounding foliage, breakage of surrounding small branches carrying back packs and deep footprints in muddy conditions. Lots of different angles to consider and of course using vehicles of any type will create the most damage.
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