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Post by thywar on Jul 25, 2012 14:17:18 GMT -7
I didn't want to step on Ceorlman's thread about his Beowulf (which is very cool by the way) so I have a question is there a rifle that will have similar capabilities (I've seen them shoot the Barrett on TV and I know it's awesome however..) for under $1000 and if so what would you buy? What type of action would it have, what caliber? Ceorlman mentioned his was the 'artillery' so what type of round/rifle would you use for 'artillery'? Do you 'need artillery'? Don't you want to reach out and touch them from a distance instead of having to 'blow through them'? I'm not really certain all of the questions I want to ask on here so I'm just seeking your opinons and thoughts. So feel free to chime in.
Edit: I guess I'm thinking .45 then one could have rifle/pistol and have pretty much a similar caliber but for less $$$
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Post by woodyz on Jul 25, 2012 15:20:26 GMT -7
Get this one in 308 load it with some 168 BTHP, spend the rest of your $1000 on a holographic site and if you can see it you can hit it You will be good to go. savagearms.com/firearms/model/10FCMSCOUTBut then my strategy will be if they are more than 300 yards and not coming to me, I will just fade away. F-168gr : Federal Gold Medal Match .308 Win 168gr HPBT (2600fps) Zero at 100 and anything under will be fine, 200 you will drop 4 1/2 inches at 300 it will drop 16 inches. Hold that distance above the head and its welcome to the party. The 308 is perfectly capable of 800 yard shots, but you will need better sights and lots of practice. If you want to engage some one approaching you at 300 yards, clear several shooting lanes, place your self a marker (a piece of flag tape will also give you an idea of the wind) every 50 yards and practice to all of them. If you can hit a nine inch pie pan, you can hit a man. Or, you could just shoot a 9" pie pan full of holes from 10 yards and hang them out a 300, facing away from you with 300 written on them. They just might turn around then.  |
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Post by ncguy on Jul 25, 2012 16:12:29 GMT -7
Or, you could just shoot a 9" pie pan full of holes from 10 yards and hang them out a 300, facing away from you with 300 written on them. They just might turn around then. Yah know thats not a bad idea |
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Post by thywar on Jul 25, 2012 16:45:00 GMT -7
Thanks Woodyz.. I'm gonna check that out.. 300 yards with punch sounds good.
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Post by alex on Jul 25, 2012 19:39:34 GMT -7
Armament...that's a big word. Typically I think of Armament as something to stop big bullets instead of sending them.
$1000.00
I want something that is reliable and has a good PROVEN service record. The .308 and the 30-06 both enter into my mind simply due to their use by military. Now with that said...the Remington 700 action is very well proven and can be had for under $600 and many going for less than $400. To me this allows me to spend the next $400 on a quality scope and the remainder for ammo.
The 300 yard punch tin sounds good too...buy why stop there...put them out to 500 or even 800 yards and then as close as 100 with the notation "10 rnds, 150 FBSP,) and have the holes punched mickey mouse style!!!!
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Post by woodyz on Jul 25, 2012 20:43:00 GMT -7
Armament...that's a big word. Typically I think of Armament as something to stop big bullets instead of sending them. $1000.00 I want something that is reliable and has a good PROVEN service record. The .308 and the 30-06 both enter into my mind simply due to their use by military. Now with that said...the Remington 700 action is very well proven and can be had for under $600 and many going for less than $400. To me this allows me to spend the next $400 on a quality scope and the remainder for ammo. The 300 yard punch tin sounds good too...buy why stop there...put them out to 500 or even 800 yards and then as close as 100 with the notation "10 rnds, 150 FBSP,) and have the holes punched mickey mouse style!!!! You lost me with the last part. I have 700 BDL's in .243 and 3006 and I wouldn't trade them for all of the tea in China. But it was my understanding of the thread he was looking for "Big Caliber". To me that's the .308, I have no experience with any thing bigger. I was a good shot at 800 yards with a .308 and I was a great shot at 400. But now I am a lot older and damaged some so I stay under 300. I know I can still kill anything I need to with the .243, 3006, 7.62x39, .223 and many other calibers at 300 yards. My impression was he wanted to be able to shoot further. My only experience past 500 yards is the .308/7.62×51mm NATO. Remington 700 comes in 3006 but not .308. I have shot the Savage .308 with their new accuTrigger and accuStock configuration and I was very impressed. Looking at the new Remington 700 BDL, they have a new "adjustable X-Mark Pro trigger system", it sounds like the accuTrigger and knowing the Remington 700 BDL as I do I am sure it is every bit as good. But I haven't shot one and I won't recommend anything I don't have first hand knowledge of. I gave him my sales pitch on the Savage .308 and we both want to hear yours. If the 3006 will do what he wants, I certainly have no problem with Remington or the 3006. The 3006 is one of the most versatile loads there is. I reload it with a 120 grain to a 200 grain. But I have never shot the 3006 beyond 500 yards. If you can get us both M14's, for $500.00 each we will both be tickled pink, I have shot it over 500 yards a few times. |
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Post by woodyz on Jul 25, 2012 20:58:52 GMT -7
There are some good looking 700's in 3006 on Gun Broker from 400 to 3000.
But again, I don't call the 3006 a "big caliber" JMO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 5:44:16 GMT -7
375 H&H mag. 450 Lott 500 Smith 500/450 nitro whats a big bore any more? If you can shoot it shoot it well and maintain it its good in my book I love my 444 marlin and my 45 colt Rossi. For long range 200+ in my book a good MBR works. As well as a good flat shooting hunting rifle like a .270wcf. I have never had a Deer Bear or elk come up to me after being shot and complain I did not use a big enough rifle caliber. So when does the big bore chase end and is there a cure for Magnumitist. Me I am still in the chase and wildcatting like hell in my reload adventures.
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Post by fenster on Jul 26, 2012 5:48:16 GMT -7
There are some good looking 700's in 3006 on Gun Broker from 400 to 3000. But again, I don't call the 3006 a "big caliber" JMO The 30-06 with the right round can take down a moose. That's plenty big for me. |
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Post by northernbc on Jul 26, 2012 6:40:59 GMT -7
remember shot placement, i have watched a moose taken with a 22lr, old style single shot. i am surprised that no one has put a word in for the 300 win mag. great rifle.
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Post by thywar on Jul 26, 2012 8:49:12 GMT -7
Well that has kind of been my thinking. While I understand the 'charm' of something like a Barrett 50 or similar I'm thinking there has to be something in the '300' caliber range that will do similar things. The .308 and .30-06 come to mind because of the availability of ammo (and they don't cost $2 a piece) and it seems they are reliable weapons. I have a .270 and I'm happy with that but when Ceorlman was talking 'artillery' and not SHTF then I started thinking A) Do I need an 'artillery' piece and B) if so what caliber would I want/need without spending a ton of money? In reality there isn't anything around here that can't be killed with a .270 or .30-30. So is it reasonable to think about having a weapon large enough to penetrate a motor block if needed?
While I like having as many guns as the next guy(gal) I don't necessarily need to own the biggest and baddest just because. I prefer to buy a gun that has a need (ok and sometimes just a 'want') and is useful.
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Post by mrmike on Jul 26, 2012 8:55:37 GMT -7
I love my Remington 700 in .308. I shoot hand loads and am 1/4" MOA. I can hit a 12"x6" duckhouse at 650 yards consistantly. My problem right now is my loads. Having a short barrel and lower power loads I am going sub-sonic at about 750 yards. I think with a better load this could be a 1000 yard rifle. I built my rifle with scope, bipod, sling and cheek riser/pouch for right around 1000 bucks. The draw back though is it is very heavy, this isnt some thing you want to lug around all day if you can avoid it. My rifle of choice for under 300 yards is a 5.56 mm. Its very accurate and has the FPS to be effective on any thing with a pulse.
.308 is a very proven round and there are plenty of them kicking around our there.
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Post by kutkota on Jul 26, 2012 8:55:49 GMT -7
I thought I wanted a .300 win mag rifle. I still kind of do, but I have been frequenting a local gun shop that has a 7mm mag suppressed based on a remington 700 bolt I think if I remember correctly. Custom stock, well custom everything and he wants 1000 for it plus a little extra for all the goodies. I am stil thinking hard about it and waiting on the fun funds to come in but I am wanting to get something. He showed me some supposed targets at 100 300 and 800 yards. If I buy it I will bring a sniper friend of mine to put it through its paces before I drop the money. It is sure fun to think about. I don't think the 7mm mag has the stopping power a .300 win mag does but it is fairly close and according to him has less recoil by a significant amount. Of course he was also trying to sell me the 7mm not the .300 so I guess it is all hear say until I try it out.
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Post by woodyz on Jul 26, 2012 12:26:12 GMT -7
I don't want to be mis- leading we do have a 50 in our group, but I don't shoot it. Reloading gives one many options, I have broke an engine block with a .243 loaded with the right bullet. But not at 300/500/800 yards. Also everyone who mentioned shot placement is correct, I have killed mule deer with a .22. It doesn't take a big caliber if the shot gets to the brain pan. In a survival situation I am looking at cows, horses, dogs......... a completely different range of "game". That said the 30-06 with several different reload options is probably the best all round bullet. But if we are talking including it as a battle rifle I have to go back to the 7.62x39/.223 for me. When it comes to large calibers, unless you go to automatic, your limited to bolt action. If I was building a rifle squad I would want 1 shotgun, 1 big gun, 4 semi-auto or 3 shot bursts and 1 auto. If I could get it, I'd give the guy with the shotgun a grenade launcher too. But then I'm not building a rifle squad. |
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Post by alex on Jul 26, 2012 19:05:53 GMT -7
I don't want to be mis- leading we do have a 50 in our group, but I don't shoot it. Reloading gives one many options, I have broke an engine block with a .243 loaded with the right bullet. But not at 300/500/800 yards. Also everyone who mentioned shot placement is correct, I have killed mule deer with a .22. It doesn't take a big caliber if the shot gets to the brain pan. In a survival situation I am looking at cows, horses, dogs......... a completely different range of "game". That said the 30-06 with several different reload options is probably the best all round bullet. But if we are talking including it as a battle rifle I have to go back to the 7.62x39/.223 for me. When it comes to large calibers, unless you go to automatic, your limited to bolt action. If I was building a rifle squad I would want 1 shotgun, 1 big gun, 4 semi-auto or 3 shot bursts and 1 auto. If I could get it, I'd give the guy with the shotgun a grenade launcher too. But then I'm not building a rifle squad. It is ALL about shot placement. a dead temple shot with a .22 LR is better than a dead miss with a 50 BMG. The thing about the 30-06 and the .308 is that they shoot the same bullet dia. I've never been a big fan of the .308 and that's simply because I was raised shooting a 30-06. First deer kill was with it and my very first reloaded round was a 30-06. Now with that said...I reload more .223 and .40 S&W than any other round now...The 30 caliber round is an excellent caliber and will suffice in almost any situation. For the standard civilian this is by far the best caliber to go with. 45-70 is bigger but the firearms are not as modern and distance shooting is not applicable. If money was not limited I would go with a .338 Lapua with out a doubt but with all it's current hype...the 338 is WAY out of my price range! |
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