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Post by Underground on May 6, 2013 19:22:48 GMT -7
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Post by USCGME2 on May 6, 2013 19:55:14 GMT -7
I saw this on the news tonite. They said the same things when Glocks came on line that it wouldnt be detectable and people would smuggle them on planes. Receivers made of polymer on ARs is nothing new either. I dont see barrels, chambers, or firing pins or springs ever being viable from plastic. I thought the coverage was disingenuous. They made it seem to the average joe that that AR was actually all plastic and undetectable. It was just the mag and receiever. Is 3D printer a synonym for CC milling machine for plastic? Hell, for a "few" thousand bucks I can buy a CC mill and produce my own metal AR lowers. This is a junk propaganda piece IMO. Watch out, they are coming for the polymers!
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Post by mud on May 7, 2013 6:18:27 GMT -7
Zip guns maybe but not for sustained fire use
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Post by Underground on May 7, 2013 14:25:44 GMT -7
Zip guns maybe but not for sustained fire use Doesn't need to be capable of sustained fire. I think this one got 6 shots off before it melted. I don't particularly want to be on a plane with 6 shots fired! SOME things SHOULD be illegal. |
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Post by USCGME2 on May 7, 2013 15:42:02 GMT -7
Wouldn't this thing still fall under the ATF's "Other Dangerous Weapons" category?
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Post by Cwi555 on May 7, 2013 15:45:24 GMT -7
Wouldn't this thing still fall under the ATF's "Other Dangerous Weapons" category? They don't have that defined just yet. |
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Post by thywar on May 7, 2013 15:46:07 GMT -7
And they might not define it 'just in case'...
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Post by Cwi555 on May 7, 2013 16:15:42 GMT -7
I am well familiar with the 3D printing technology. The last industrial trade show I attended featured a very impressive machine that could in the near future, print the whole gun. www.slm-solutions.com/en/press-information/press-release/slm-solutions-and-eads-are-working-together-in-additive-manufacturing-techniques.htmlTheir machine (at the time a prototype itself) was impressive. However, as they put it: "Schmidtke explained that since few metallic alloys currently are characterized for Additive Layer Manufacturing from the properties viewpoint, the EADS Innovation Works/SLM Solutions cooperation will provide valuable research opportunities. It will cover established, currently-used powders based on aluminum, titanium and nickel alloys, along with new materials like Invar or platinum, and other metal solutions." At this point in time, the technology is still experiencing birthing pains. This particular company is a leader in the field, and they are several years out from this being a 'regular' reality. As is, their machine capable of nickel and titanium is not so cheap if for no other reason than the leading edge laser technology employed. There are multiple companies in the chase, but right now, and for the immediate future of 10 years or so, these kind of machines and supplies will be cost prohibitive to the average person. A cheap model is 3/4 million without the higher end metals ability, and the top of the line in the millions. I would not be looking for printed guns in mass for while yet. |
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Post by thywar on May 10, 2013 4:58:54 GMT -7
Hmmm It appears what you think is yours, even though you may have complied with all laws and regulations, apparently isn't yours after all. At least according to the government. (that red highlight sounds like some division out of a futuristic science fiction book).. A letter to Defense Distributed from the Department of State, Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance, Enforcement Division (DTCC/END) explains that while conducting a review of the data posted on DEFCAD it found that the licensed firearm manufacturer might have released ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations)-controlled information without authorization and would thus be in violation. Here’s more from the letter (emphasis added): The Department believes Defense Distributed may not have established the proper jurisdiction of the subject technical data. To resolve this matter officially, we request that Defense Distributed submit Commodity Jurisdiction (CJ) determination requests for the following selection of data files available on DEFCAD.org, and any other technical data for which Defense Distributed is unable to determine proper jurisdiction: Defense Distributed Liberator pistol .22 electric 125mm BK-14M high-explosive anti-tank warhead 5.56/.223 muzzle brake Springfield XD-40 tactical slide assembly Sound Moderator – slip on “The Dirty Diane” 1/2-28 to 3/4-16 STP S3600 oil filter silencer adapter 12 gauge to .22 CB sub-caliber insert Voltlock electronic black powder system VZ-58 sight DTCC/END requests that Defense Distributed submits its CJ requests within three weeks of the receipt of this letter and notify this office of the final CJ determinations. All CJ requests must be submitted electronically through an online application using the DS-4076 Commodity Jurisdiction Request Form. The form, guidance for submitting CJ requests, and other relevant information such as a copy of the ITAR can be found on DDTC’s website at www.pmddtc.state.gov. www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/09/3d-printed-gun-designs-gone-dark-wiki-weapons-project-removes-designs-from-web-at-govt-request/ |
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Post by fenster on May 10, 2013 5:10:15 GMT -7
It's complete BS! Just the government trying to control yet another thing.
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Post by fallkniven on May 10, 2013 5:24:36 GMT -7
It's complete BS! Just the government trying to control yet another thing. Why should the manufacture of arms go unregulated? |
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Post by fenster on May 10, 2013 5:45:36 GMT -7
It's complete BS! Just the government trying to control yet another thing. Why should the manufacture of arms go unregulated? The Constitution |
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Post by fallkniven on May 10, 2013 5:49:38 GMT -7
Why should the manufacture of arms go unregulated? The Constitution So absolutely anyone should be allowed a weapon? |
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Post by thywar on May 10, 2013 7:35:52 GMT -7
So absolutely anyone should be allowed a weapon? Why do you continue to be a troll from across the pond? Where you live you obviously do not have our freedoms or our ability to value them? If you were the least bit interested in having a discussion without interjecting your distaste for our way of life it would be different. But since you don't, the least you could do is try to understand what we value here, not only on this forum, but in our country. Understand I'm not telling you not to post, just asking you to not demonstrate how much you don't like our way of life. |
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Post by fallkniven on May 10, 2013 7:57:39 GMT -7
So absolutely anyone should be allowed a weapon? Why do you continue to be a troll from across the pond? Where you live you obviously do not have our freedoms or our ability to value them? If you were the least bit interested in having a discussion without interjecting your distaste for our way of life it would be different. But since you don't, the least you could do is try to understand what we value here, not only on this forum, but in our country. Understand I'm not telling you not to post, just asking you to not demonstrate how much you don't like our way of life. I asked a basic question. Should absolutely anyone in the US be allowed a weapon? Yes or no? |
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