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Post by offtrail on Nov 2, 2012 14:33:53 GMT -7
This may not be a popular opinion, but I'll state it anyway. Care should be taken in consideration of those people left stuck there. I agree that they should have gotten out ahead of it, and if possible they should get out now. Whatever the case, it is ill advised to allow your conscience/heart to be hardened to it. I am certain people here would do what they had to do for their family and themselves to survive. I am equally certain that most if not all are taking notes how this is going down, and balancing it against their preparations to learn from it. However, don't let the actions of those who put themselves in harms way jade your heart and soul. The day you feel nothing regarding the misfortune and hardships of others, however well deserved, is the day you lose another chunk of your humanity. It is my opinion that death is preferable to losing ones soul to darkness and indifference. I can only speak for myself, others will likely see it different. My personal opinion for what it's worth. It's hard to feel sorry for people that should have prepared and did nothing. These same people will be the first to knock over the elderly or the young just to be first in line for a handout. If not for these people the real needy people could be attended to more easily. I hear what your saying cwi but we all have a limit. How many times can we help a neighbor when they keep returning for help time after time. What ever happened to destiny. Help will come but why not prepare so you can survive till help gets there. That's all ,just be prepared, is that to much to ask. Just talking in general here cwi I respect you and your opinion. |
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Post by Lawdog2705 on Nov 2, 2012 14:44:56 GMT -7
Anyone that was smart enough to prepare, will also be smart enough not to let the others know!
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Post by Lawdog2705 on Nov 2, 2012 14:49:35 GMT -7
Okay, now it was just reported that several people have died because they're running their generators INDOORS with no ventilation. It just keeps coming....
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Post by Ceorlmann on Nov 2, 2012 14:54:09 GMT -7
NYC Marathon update: it got cancelled. Bloomberg probably figured that if it wasn't he'd feel the political backlash for the rest of his life.
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Post by offtrail on Nov 2, 2012 15:01:24 GMT -7
NYC Marathon update: it got cancelled. Bloomberg probably figured that if it wasn't he'd feel the political backlash for the rest of his life. I'm sure it's the only reason it was cancelled. He still looks bad imo. |
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Post by pathwinder14 on Nov 2, 2012 15:03:22 GMT -7
The people there are arrogantly demanding help. I don't deny the people there need help. They should drop their sense of entitlement however, and humbly ask for it.
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Post by cowgirlup on Nov 2, 2012 16:37:00 GMT -7
Anyone that was smart enough to prepare, will also be smart enough not to let the others know! +1 on that. God help you if your neighbors find out you have a bottle of water or a few cans of soup!!! |
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Post by alex on Nov 2, 2012 17:00:53 GMT -7
It's the demanding that gets me. It's the attitude of "Entitlement" that urks my butt...that it's their "RIGHT" to get government assistance...Had they heeded the warning...they'd not be in that situation.
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Post by offtrail on Nov 2, 2012 17:55:59 GMT -7
Anyone that was smart enough to prepare, will also be smart enough not to let the others know! True but with no power how will they find out. I think it's time to show what it's like to be prepared. I doubt it will help now that I think about it, some people you just can't reach. |
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Post by woodyz on Nov 2, 2012 17:57:44 GMT -7
These people are sheep, they should have known better tried harder, they are ignorant. I am just as guilty as anyone here at being frustrated with their lack of accountability, their failure to prepare and their expectation of entitlement.
We as a collective are better than we have been the last few days. We should try to avoid the negative side of this and focus our efforts on pointing out the basic survival skills not being used that we can learn/teach from. Take this on as a project. Quote that they are defecating in their house and point out what could be done differently.
Take the water issue and explain how seawater can be boiled and the steam condensed and captured as fresh water.
Use them as the example of what not to do, but put a positive spin on it by providing examples of what to do.
Also take note because this reaction they have is the same reaction we can expect from say 70% of the population in anywhere USA. Maybe it is more accurate to say, anywhere big city USA. I think the farming communities in any State won’t have the problem, but the Atlanta’s, Kansas Cities and other suburban areas should/can expect this.
On the east coast the majority of the people don’t even own a car and if they did where are they going to go?
CWI says we need to remember compassion and I agree there is a time when compassion is appropriate and as long as you can recognize when compassion crosses a specific line we need to practice it. But when it reaches a point where compassion places you in danger you also need to know how to shut your heart and get mean. Because mean is the only thing some people understand and it can be very hard to recognize where the line is and who is who.
For now some of us are in the trouble and some of us are not. We represent a large area of the US here so let’s focus on compassion to our brothers of the bunker who need it. And let’s focus on lessons learned from those who may be out of range of our compassion, but also are not a threat to our survival.
Let us focus on an identified problem and provide solutions we would use while ignoring negativity toward those we know nothing about except how they react under stress and fear. Ignorant to what they should have done, ignorant to what they should do now while they huddle as sheep or hunt as wolves.
Just my .02
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 2, 2012 18:50:18 GMT -7
Well put. You did a much better job capturing what it was I was trying to say than I did. These people are sheep, they should have known better tried harder, they are ignorant. I am just as guilty as anyone here at being frustrated with their lack of accountability, their failure to prepare and their expectation of entitlement. We as a collective are better than we have been the last few days. We should try to avoid the negative side of this and focus our efforts on pointing out the basic survival skills not being used that we can learn/teach from. Take this on as a project. Quote that they are defecating in their house and point out what could be done differently. Take the water issue and explain how seawater can be boiled and the steam condensed and captured as fresh water. Use them as the example of what not to do, but put a positive spin on it by providing examples of what to do. Also take note because this reaction they have is the same reaction we can expect from say 70% of the population in anywhere USA. Maybe it is more accurate to say, anywhere big city USA. I think the farming communities in any State won’t have the problem, but the Atlanta’s, Kansas Cities and other suburban areas should/can expect this. On the east coast the majority of the people don’t even own a car and if they did where are they going to go? CWI says we need to remember compassion and I agree there is a time when compassion is appropriate and as long as you can recognize when compassion crosses a specific line we need to practice it. But when it reaches a point where compassion places you in danger you also need to know how to shut your heart and get mean. Because mean is the only thing some people understand and it can be very hard to recognize where the line is and who is who. For now some of us are in the trouble and some of us are not. We represent a large area of the US here so let’s focus on compassion to our brothers of the bunker who need it. And let’s focus on lessons learned from those who may be out of range of our compassion, but also are not a threat to our survival. Let us focus on an identified problem and provide solutions we would use while ignoring negativity toward those we know nothing about except how they react under stress and fear. Ignorant to what they should have done, ignorant to what they should do now while they huddle as sheep or hunt as wolves. Just my .02 |
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Post by woodyz on Nov 2, 2012 19:22:38 GMT -7
Just another way of saying the same thing. I have my good days and bad. But I always like to read your posts.
Thanks for the flowers.
mod for spelling
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 20:11:27 GMT -7
This may not be a popular opinion, but I'll state it anyway. Care should be taken in consideration of those people left stuck there. I agree that they should have gotten out ahead of it, and if possible they should get out now. Whatever the case, it is ill advised to allow your conscience/heart to be hardened to it. I am certain people here would do what they had to do for their family and themselves to survive. I am equally certain that most if not all are taking notes how this is going down, and balancing it against their preparations to learn from it. However, don't let the actions of those who put themselves in harms way jade your heart and soul. The day you feel nothing regarding the misfortune and hardships of others, however well deserved, is the day you lose another chunk of your humanity. It is my opinion that death is preferable to losing ones soul to darkness and indifference. I can only speak for myself, others will likely see it different. My personal opinion for what it's worth. +1 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 20:14:41 GMT -7
These people are sheep, they should have known better tried harder, they are ignorant. I am just as guilty as anyone here at being frustrated with their lack of accountability, their failure to prepare and their expectation of entitlement. We as a collective are better than we have been the last few days. We should try to avoid the negative side of this and focus our efforts on pointing out the basic survival skills not being used that we can learn/teach from. Take this on as a project. Quote that they are defecating in their house and point out what could be done differently. Take the water issue and explain how seawater can be boiled and the steam condensed and captured as fresh water. Use them as the example of what not to do, but put a positive spin on it by providing examples of what to do. Also take note because this reaction they have is the same reaction we can expect from say 70% of the population in anywhere USA. Maybe it is more accurate to say, anywhere big city USA. I think the farming communities in any State won’t have the problem, but the Atlanta’s, Kansas Cities and other suburban areas should/can expect this. On the east coast the majority of the people don’t even own a car and if they did where are they going to go? CWI says we need to remember compassion and I agree there is a time when compassion is appropriate and as long as you can recognize when compassion crosses a specific line we need to practice it. But when it reaches a point where compassion places you in danger you also need to know how to shut your heart and get mean. Because mean is the only thing some people understand and it can be very hard to recognize where the line is and who is who. For now some of us are in the trouble and some of us are not. We represent a large area of the US here so let’s focus on compassion to our brothers of the bunker who need it. And let’s focus on lessons learned from those who may be out of range of our compassion, but also are not a threat to our survival. Let us focus on an identified problem and provide solutions we would use while ignoring negativity toward those we know nothing about except how they react under stress and fear. Ignorant to what they should have done, ignorant to what they should do now while they huddle as sheep or hunt as wolves. Just my .02 +1 |
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Post by cowgirlup on Nov 3, 2012 2:17:25 GMT -7
Every time some disaster like this happend it is an eye opener for us. We're aware of how most people will react. This is a devastating situation yet it is temporary. If something bigger like an EMP hits then all bets are off on how people will react.
I can feel bad for someone in this disaster and still be annoyed that they did not follow the very clear directions that were given days in advance.
I hope that a lot of people will learn from this.
And just once I'd like to see some reporter ask one of the complainers and criticizers just why they didn't follw evacuation orders or have the 10 days of food and water that most people in NJ were told to have. I would really like to know
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