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Post by angelhelp on Nov 3, 2012 7:06:52 GMT -7
Every time some disaster like this happend it is an eye opener for us. We're aware of how most people will react. This is a devastating situation yet it is temporary. If something bigger like an EMP hits then all bets are off on how people will react. I can feel bad for someone in this disaster and still be annoyed that they did not follow the very clear directions that were given days in advance. I hope that a lot of people will learn from this. And just once I'd like to see some reporter ask one of the complainers and criticizers just why they didn't follow evacuation orders or have the 10 days of food and water that most people in NJ were told to have. I would really like to know +1 |
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Post by WILL on Nov 3, 2012 8:19:43 GMT -7
For the life of me I can't understand why people react differently from disaster to disaster. Overwhelming positive, productive reactions happened in Joplin, Fukishima and after 9/11. Then you have alot of destructive and negative reactions taking place in Katrina, Haiti and Sandy. Anyhow, planning for the aftermath is confusing for me because you just don't know if you're going to get Dr. Jeckel or Mr. Hyde society. Either way, it’s comforting to know my family is way ahead of the curve thanks in part to forums like this one.
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 3, 2012 8:28:04 GMT -7
For the life of me I can't understand why people react differently from disaster to disaster. Overwhelming positive, productive reactions happened in Joplin, Fukishima and after 9/11. Then you have alot of destructive and negative reactions taking place in Katrina, Haiti and Sandy. Anyhow, planning for the aftermath is confusing for me because you just don't know if you're going to get Dr. Jeckel or Mr. Hyde society. Either way, it’s comforting to know my family is way ahead of the curve thanks in part to forums like this one. That is a point I had not considered. On thinking about it, it's obvious that your observation is correct, but there seems to be no rhyme nor reason to it. That will be some food for thought... |
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Post by Lawdog2705 on Nov 3, 2012 9:08:46 GMT -7
I have a nephew and ex-sister in law in the city. My Sis-n-law got power back the day before yesterday and my nephew last night. Neither of them mentioned anything negative or complained about anything. My Sis-in-law is a comedian and did post on her webpage for ppl to help and named organizations to go through. I still haven't heard from my cousin in Tom's River but, I know he's prepared. I just don't know about damages to the home. As well as I know he is prepared, I'm still worried about him after how they were talking about Tom's River on the news. He's actually a little inland, I hope that helps but, not sure.
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Post by offtrail on Nov 3, 2012 14:06:45 GMT -7
Every time some disaster like this happend it is an eye opener for us. We're aware of how most people will react. This is a devastating situation yet it is temporary. If something bigger like an EMP hits then all bets are off on how people will react. I can feel bad for someone in this disaster and still be annoyed that they did not follow the very clear directions that were given days in advance. I hope that a lot of people will learn from this. And just once I'd like to see some reporter ask one of the complainers and criticizers just why they didn't follw evacuation orders or have the 10 days of food and water that most people in NJ were told to have. I would really like to know Well done cg hands clapping  |
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Post by WILL on Nov 3, 2012 14:17:10 GMT -7
Every time some disaster like this happend it is an eye opener for us. We're aware of how most people will react. This is a devastating situation yet it is temporary. If something bigger like an EMP hits then all bets are off on how people will react. I can feel bad for someone in this disaster and still be annoyed that they did not follow the very clear directions that were given days in advance. I hope that a lot of people will learn from this. And just once I'd like to see some reporter ask one of the complainers and criticizers just why they didn't follw evacuation orders or have the 10 days of food and water that most people in NJ were told to have. I would really like to know Well done cg hands clapping +1 |
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Post by WILL on Nov 3, 2012 14:34:04 GMT -7
For the life of me I can't understand why people react differently from disaster to disaster. Overwhelming positive, productive reactions happened in Joplin, Fukishima and after 9/11. Then you have alot of destructive and negative reactions taking place in Katrina, Haiti and Sandy. Anyhow, planning for the aftermath is confusing for me because you just don't know if you're going to get Dr. Jeckel or Mr. Hyde society. Either way, it’s comforting to know my family is way ahead of the curve thanks in part to forums like this one. That is a point I had not considered. On thinking about it, it's obvious that your observation is correct, but there seems to be no rhyme nor reason to it. That will be some food for thought... The only thing I can figure is Joplin, Fukishima, and 9/11 were in places or happened to people who took ownership of their fate and DID SOMETHING about it. Katrina, Hati, and Sandy happened in places or to people who relied on government or hand outs to live. When the hand outs and services weren't available then we had a desperate situation. Knowing the area/place you live in can help you figure out how people will react if it happens in your neighborhood. If you have a majority of the population in your area relying on social programs and infrastructure then a disaster will be difficult for you. |
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Post by WILL on Nov 3, 2012 17:49:09 GMT -7
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 3, 2012 18:07:43 GMT -7
That looks like a substation cooking off. That will take some time to fix if they can get the parts. |
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Post by bmpac04 on Nov 3, 2012 18:32:33 GMT -7
I'm from MS and had family and friends on the coast during katrina. I think some of the perception of how people respond to a disaster is manipulated a lot by the media. They have a tendency to focus on the bad stuff because its more "exciting" and makes "better news". you heard very little about how the communites on the MS gulf coast came together and have worked at rebuilding for the past 7years, making it better than it was before. You have good responses and bad responses in any situation, it all depends on the type of people that are involved, the best can come out of people and the worst also.
Preparing for me since Katrina has changed from the time before. you have to imagine yourself with almost nothing, no electric, running water, sewage, proper shelter, inability to get food, water, gas, etc.... I have to keep myself from getting caught up in the cool gear stuff and having the newest and highest priced stuff and keep it basic necessities. I'm looking to get a vaccuum sealer next. Recently read 1 second after that helped open my eyes.
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Post by angelhelp on Nov 3, 2012 18:36:48 GMT -7
I'm impressed. What made the second white flash (before the slow-motion replay)? Didn't it all go poof during the first flash?
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 3, 2012 19:04:14 GMT -7
On second review, it looks like a power plant rather than a substation. The bright flashes would be the yard transformers electrically shorting.
When first made at the power plant, the electricity is lower voltage higher amperage. It is run through transformers which step up the voltage considerably in order to allow it to travel more efficiently and for a longer distance through the transmission lines.
It is subsequently stepped down at the substations where the lines are distributing to the various neighborhoods etc, and finally to your house through another street transformer.
That bright bluish flash/sometimes with a green tinge to it is unmistakable.
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Post by angelhelp on Nov 3, 2012 19:35:22 GMT -7
Let's see if this is a rudimentary understanding, then:
Plant ----> big pipe, low pressure
Transformer -----> pipe size effectively shrunk, pressure increased for efficiency
Substation -----> pipe becomes like a hydra but with many more arms to distribute to neighborhoods, hence pressure diminishes
Last transformer -----> (not sure why this one's here except maybe to adjust pipe size to match house intake capability)
Blue / green flash is due to copper wire cooking? I recall something about flame tests and CuSO4 in aqueous solution showing up greenish when the metal loop was dipped into the solution and then held in the Bunsen burner flame.
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Post by Cwi555 on Nov 3, 2012 20:33:52 GMT -7
Let's see if this is a rudimentary understanding, then: Plant ----> big pipe, low pressure Transformer -----> pipe size effectively shrunk, pressure increased for efficiency Substation -----> pipe becomes like a hydra but with many more arms to distribute to neighborhoods, hence pressure diminishes Last transformer -----> (not sure why this one's here except maybe to adjust pipe size to match house intake capability) Blue / green flash is due to copper wire cooking? I recall something about flame tests and CuSO4 in aqueous solution showing up greenish when the metal loop was dipped into the solution and then held in the Bunsen burner flame. Seeing the greenish tinge is along those lines depending on the age and build of the transformer. As for the last transformer, the juice is still a bit much for household usage at the pole. Otherwise that's about the gist of it. |
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Post by angelhelp on Nov 4, 2012 6:25:28 GMT -7
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