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Post by WILL on Dec 30, 2012 8:47:04 GMT -7
How realistic is it?
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Post by thywar on Dec 30, 2012 8:53:04 GMT -7
Without knowing when you decide to bug out... not realistic at all. If you wait until the last minute.. a fool's errand. If you can go two weeks before SHTF.. possible depending on where and what route you have to take and what's waiting for you when you get there (or along the way) Can you make it in one day? Can your family make it in one day with you? I think that's pretty much NOT realistic for bugging out.
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Post by Cwi555 on Dec 30, 2012 9:03:17 GMT -7
Anything over one hundred miles is asking for trouble. Even in that, a hundred miles will be difficult at best. One thousand miles even by jet will take too long.
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Post by missasip on Dec 30, 2012 9:08:11 GMT -7
Guess my question is, bug out for what? IMO, different scenrios could mean different outcomes for bugging out that long a distance. And any ideas what your bugging out with, transportion wise? Seasons could have a say in it also. Just wondering. Jimmy
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Post by marc on Dec 30, 2012 9:15:44 GMT -7
Yup. I have to say that I wouldn't personally plan on it because many things that would cause be to bail out, are the same things that could make travel a deadly proposition.
Timing is everything. If you can stay on the front side of the wave, you are good to go.
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Post by WILL on Dec 30, 2012 15:56:10 GMT -7
My sister came down from Indiana for the holidays. She's pretty much set for TSHTF. Probably better than I am. We both told each other that if things went bad we had a place to go. Although the idea is nice, I'm pondering the reality of that journey today and it's full of issues. Gasoline, breakdown, potential violence, etc. I even printed out a map. Atlanta stood out as a huge problem area just for starters.
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Post by olebama on Dec 30, 2012 21:15:52 GMT -7
If you are on foot, how long to go 1000 miles? Is 10 miles per day an overestimate? Even if you could do 10 miles/day, that is a 100 day trek.
Maybe think outside the box. Boat (sailboat?) across the gulf, then up the Mississippi?
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Post by mud on Dec 30, 2012 21:30:10 GMT -7
This is similar to the situation my brother is in since he works in North Dakota and lives in Oklahoma. Without having someplace to rest and regroup e.g. contacts between the two locations, getting home would be monumental and I would be keeping his family until then. Have you any contacts on your route or could you choose your route by who you know where that would take you in for a day or so, refit and repair your gear?
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Post by Redneckidokie on Dec 31, 2012 3:21:51 GMT -7
Depending on what the shtf was I don't think you will be going anywhere. If it is a national emergency I would expect all major highways to be blocked by military road blocks to contain civilian movements. Possibly taking all your supplies?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 12:25:39 GMT -7
Knowing you and your children take hiking trips in the mountains, I think you would have a good idea of how to plan the BOBs and such for a long term travel/bug out situation.
Other than cities, keep in mind crossing rivers. You will want to avoid bridges in a SHTF situation. You will need to know how to make bowl boats or another method of getting across waterways without getting wet or loosing your stuff. Also trek of that distance would take a heck of a toll on your footwear. Everyone traveling might need to pack and extra set of sturdy soled boots.
Would you have the means for procuring enough food to provide the calories needed for the energy exerted? What about everyone else? Electrolytes for replenishing those lost due to traveling in hot weather. If it's cold, will you be able to find proper shelter and build a fire to keep warm without alerting the wrong sorts to your presence? Can you travel half the day and stay awake at night to keep a guard up over yourself and your family?
Even a short bug out would be a tough one. If you can find people along the route/routes you would take that would give you a place to hole up for a couple days at a time to rest and recoup, then maybe it would be possible. That's a BIG maybe...but anything is possible.
Who would be traveling with you? Can they traverse rough terrain? If your wife is in a motorized chair, do you have a solar charger to power her battery each day if there is no electricity along the way? Do you have routes planned to avoid major roadways? What about medications?
There is a LOT to be considered...Weather, terrain, time of year, population centers to be passed though, medical needs, food, water, shelter, defense, etc.
Whatever happens and your plans end up being....good luck.
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Post by WILL on Dec 31, 2012 13:10:01 GMT -7
The plan would be bugging out via motor vehicle. Worst case scenario would be setting out in a vehicle and making it 400 miles from home before ending up on bicycles. That’s bad. From there, let’s say we made a leisurely 25 miles a day. That would still take over a month, but be doable. No way in hell we would plan on walking 1000 miles. We would shelter in place before that happened.
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Post by 94atLarge on Dec 31, 2012 17:13:19 GMT -7
The plan would be bugging out via motor vehicle. Worst case scenario would be setting out in a vehicle and making it 400 miles from home before ending up on bicycles. That’s bad. From there, let’s say we made a leisurely 25 miles a day. That would still take over a month, but be doable. No way in hell we would plan on walking 1000 miles. We would shelter in place before that happened. If you think you can make it 400 miles by motor vehicle and the rest by bike I am assuming that you intend to travel, mainly, via roads of some kind? If so, then you can certainly drive instead of bike. Why not plan for extra fuel that would allow you to make the 1k. I would think 100 gals would more than suffice and really doesn't take up much room on a trailer or in a pick-up bed. An extra 10-12 hours of drive time sure beats a month of peddlin'.
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Post by Redneckidokie on Jan 1, 2013 4:02:38 GMT -7
You did not say what do you see as the trigger, to start you off on this journey? Something with a slow onset, or a sudden major event that all will know about at the same time? Just from watching the hurricane traffic footage leaving Florida, makes something worse really seem hard to imagine, getting out.
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Post by WILL on Jan 1, 2013 7:35:04 GMT -7
Here’s what I’m thinking. Since I don’t have a quasi-remote, fully stocked, off-grid cabin, Plan A is bugging in. Plan B is bugging out to a relative’s home. Problem is, my relatives in Florida live in the same county as me. It’s very possible that the conditions that forced me to bug out will also be present at their homes. The closest relative outside my county is my sister in Indiana. What about friends you ask? Personally, I don’t have any that I would depend on in that type of situation. Bottom line, I would rather take a stab at Indiana if it’s at all attainable, than run off into the woods with no objective. If it came to that, I’m imagining we would try to drive there with as many supplies as we could bring. I can foresee all sorts of stuff going wrong though. So no one else is in this situation?
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Post by thywar on Jan 1, 2013 7:52:54 GMT -7
Everyone's situation is different and trying to find figure out what works best for you is hard for me. Are you saying your other FL relatives live in a city, same as you? I know some FL counties are all city or have very little 'rural' sections but if your other relatives live in a city then yes they'll probably have that same problem. Are they like minded as far as prepping or are you taking on their safety and well being also? Will you leave them when you go to IN? Are they 'in-laws' and is your wife okay with that? Does your wife even want to try and make the trip to IN? So many questions in a situation like this it makes it that much more difficult to try and offer suggestions. I don't know if you've read any of the 'survival' NOVELS (not how to books) talked about on here but (and even though they're novels) they do give you some indication of troubles for bugging out long distances. Maybe you and your FL relatives can sell both of your homes, buy a piece of rural property and build one large house or two smaller homes with a common area... see? the possibilities are endless and only you and your determination will make the difference.
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