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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 5:03:37 GMT -7
some or many may be, but then there will be others that will not be. They may simply be shortcuts between state and county roads...I know there are many of those "shortcuts" around here. That is why you would want as many alternatives as possible. To be able to turn around and go a different direction if needed. If it gets to that point, I am quite sure main highways and interstates are the LAST place anyone is going to want to be traveling.
As far as "Bubba Brigades", they are more apt to let you go on your way unharmed/unmolested than a bunch of biker zombies on the highway...and I say Biker Zombies with no disrespect, I have a few family members who would be in both groups...and I know which group I would rather avoid the most!
Best bet, have as many alternate routes planned as possible and avoid the ones that are the most apt to put you in contact with the most unsavory sorts out of the many types. Personally, I would rather meet a batch of bubbas on a gravel road that a bunch of beasts on a highway.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 2, 2013 7:38:33 GMT -7
in a SHTF situation that he felt the need to bug out wouldn't many of those dirt roads be patrolled or blocked by bubba brigades? I break it down into six major areas of concern. 1. Freeway/interstates - Government/foreign military/large militia control 2. State hiways - Same as 1 3. Primary County roads - State level / bubba patrols, high probability for local government control 4. County secondary back roads - Survivalist/prepper/state level/bubba patrols, little chance of government involvement, high probability for the others. 5. Gravel / dirt tertiary roads / fire access, etc. - No chance of government of any kind, not enough traffic for bubba patrols, but high probability for preppers/survivalist. 6. Dirt roads / semi goat trails. - Not very useful to anyone except someone with a BOL in the area. How many times in the past have you heard one person or another talk about taking down trees etc when SHTF to block access to 'their' road? I've heard it a lot. Not just dirt roads, but paved roads. Where there is a will there is a way, but it will be dangerous no matter what you do. 1-3 being the highest probability of trouble.
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Post by WILL on Jan 2, 2013 7:45:42 GMT -7
I like the idea of fuel cans better than a dedicate system atached to a prticular vehicle. With the cans, I can switch them to another vehicle if necessary.
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Post by WILL on Jan 2, 2013 11:42:17 GMT -7
It's a logistical nightmare considering the distance you want to cover and the what-ifs are going to be never-ending. I am fortunate that my bug-out location is less than 15 miles away. You are in exactly the same situation as I am, as I suspect many others on this board are. If you’re primary plan is bugging in, and your plan B is bugging out a relatively short distance (less than 100 miles) you have to consider that whatever situation compromised your home will also make your bug-out location unsafe since it's in roughly the same area. There's a multitude of hypothetical situations that could force a longer distance bug out. I'm really surprised haven't talked about this sooner on this board. Bottom line, of course it would be dangerous, but how would you go about doing it if it happened right now?
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Post by thywar on Jan 2, 2013 11:52:46 GMT -7
Around here 15 miles will put you deep into some very rural uninhabited land. So your premise that the same thing would happen at the bol doesn't work IN SOME AREAS.
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Post by Cwi555 on Jan 2, 2013 11:56:38 GMT -7
Will:"Bottom line, of course it would be dangerous, but how would you go about doing it if it happened right now?" Read more: survivalbunker.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bugging&action=post&thread=3612&page=3#ixzz2GqVvqlgdIf it happened right now, that the entire area was being compromised, all locations a loss, there is an airport less than 15 minutes run from here. We have 4 active pilots in the group, soon to be 5 when I finish my training. We also have the rail option. What I was telling you was exactly our intent. We have went over such a plan to bug out to another state, and for that matter another country in great detail. It can be done, but your risk go up exponentially the further you try to go. Not even water is an option for us given the series of Dams in this area. Your only water option is straight up the Mississippi but even then your going to end up with a long road trip. Despite the movies/reality shows and crap seen on most survival sites, our experiences tell us a straight road trip is an almost certain death trap no matter how you slice and dice it. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by WILL on Jan 2, 2013 12:03:00 GMT -7
Around here 15 miles will put you deep into some very rural uninhabited land. So your premise that the same thing would happen at the bol doesn't work IN SOME AREAS. Think Fukushima to get your head right here. 15 miles is nothing. I also think a lot of posters have a visual of the situation that isn’t realistic. Like they are in their bug-out vehicle, are the only traffic on the road, and some sort of Mad Max road warriors are after them. Reality is that EVERYONE will have loaded up what they could get in their cars and be doing the exact same thing you are. You will probably be one fish in a huge school of fish trying to escape a disaster area. What separates you from them is what you bring with you and what’s in your head. My question is what you would bring to enhance your odds of a successful bug-out. Obviously my gasoline is lacking for the distance I want to go, what else?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 13:00:51 GMT -7
Around here 15 miles will put you deep into some very rural uninhabited land. So your premise that the same thing would happen at the bol doesn't work IN SOME AREAS. Think Fukushima to get your head right here. 15 miles is nothing. I also think a lot of posters have a visual of the situation that isn’t realistic. Like they are in their bug-out vehicle, are the only traffic on the road, and some sort of Mad Max road warriors are after them. Reality is that EVERYONE will have loaded up what they could get in their cars and be doing the exact same thing you are. You will probably be one fish in a huge school of fish trying to escape a disaster area. What separates you from them is what you bring with you and what’s in your head. My question is what you would bring to enhance your odds of a successful bug-out. Obviously my gasoline is lacking for the distance I want to go, what else?~Approximate locations that are secure enough to rest. ~Contacts along assorted routes to replenish supplies as needed. ~Medical training to care for those with you and yourself. ~Water or a means of gathering it and purifying it as you go along, including locations of major waterways, lakes, etc and large cities along waterways to know where to AVOID gathering water...it may be to contaminated to use in some areas. ~knowledge of wild plant life that can be used for food and medicine along your route. You will be going through a drastic change of zones and will probably be very unfamiliar with native flora along the route. You will need this food as you go since you will never be able to carry enough for everyone over such a great distance. ~knowledge of native wildlife along the way and how to best trap it. Again this is food you will be depending on. ~locations of wild animal parks and zoos. Should you find yourself in a bug-out situation, you may well want to avoid areas within several miles of such locations. Large carnivorous animals may easily have gotten loose and pose a major threat to you and your group. ~Steel traps and other means to set up camp perimeter security during night hours...for both the 2 legged and 4 legged predators. ~bow & arrows. You will want to save your ammo for personal protection, and use the bow for hunting as you travel...the silence will keep you from giving away your position, and you will not likely have time in any one area to set snares. ~fishing gear, again, a way to procure food silently, and it will have much needed fats for energy.
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Post by olebama on Jan 2, 2013 20:53:48 GMT -7
It's a logistical nightmare considering the distance you want to cover and the what-ifs are going to be never-ending. I am fortunate that my bug-out location is less than 15 miles away. You are in exactly the same situation as I am, as I suspect many others on this board are. If you’re primary plan is bugging in, and your plan B is bugging out a relatively short distance (less than 100 miles) you have to consider that whatever situation compromised your home will also make your bug-out location unsafe since it's in roughly the same area. There's a multitude of hypothetical situations that could force a longer distance bug out. I'm really surprised haven't talked about this sooner on this board. Bottom line, of course it would be dangerous, but how would you go about doing it if it happened right now? I was just thinking about this issue this morning on the way to work. What would I do if my BOL was also involved in the situation that caused the bugout? THe BOL is less than 100 miles away. My only option is to go to family about 250 miles away. But again, what if they are impacted also? I guess the issue that first pops into my mind is EMP and has impacted 1/4 to 1/2 of the country.
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Post by USCGME2 on Jan 2, 2013 23:05:52 GMT -7
Thanks for this post Will. If it hits the fan while Im here in Texas, I got 850 miles of hard road in front of me to get to my loved ones in MO. Id be traveling alone so I could move faster but, if my truck pooped out, it would be a loooooong walk home. Id do it to see my kids again. Mostly Id follow the skirts of train tracks. Maybe if I got to WTRFWLR in AR he could give me a ride! lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 23:32:16 GMT -7
Thanks for this post Will. If it hits the fan while Im here in Texas, I got 850 miles of hard road in front of me to get to my loved ones in MO. Id be traveling alone so I could move faster but, if my truck pooped out, it would be a loooooong walk home. Id do it to see my kids again. Mostly Id follow the skirts of train tracks. Maybe if I got to WTRFWLR in AR he could give me a ride! lol The offer stands...my place is an available resting point for your journey home.
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 3, 2013 0:00:31 GMT -7
Thanks for this post Will. If it hits the fan while Im here in Texas, I got 850 miles of hard road in front of me to get to my loved ones in MO. Id be traveling alone so I could move faster but, if my truck pooped out, it would be a loooooong walk home. Id do it to see my kids again. Mostly Id follow the skirts of train tracks. Maybe if I got to WTRFWLR in AR he could give me a ride! lol Get ya to Missouri? No problem. You get here and we'll load up in the duck boat and be there in no time. If I had to get outta here like right now, I'd seriously be looking at water travel. I've already been from here to the Mississippi River that's a pretty easy run. Granted if the world were falling completely apart and all that jazz the lock gates wouldn't be working but I think it would be easy enough to portage around those (there are 4 between here and there.) Going downriver uses hardly any fuel as well.
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Post by Dennis on Jan 3, 2013 5:04:53 GMT -7
Why not rely on each other if possible for safe havens along your travel route. Contact folks and ask if you could hold up there. Not everyone is going to Bug Out. If I had to get outta here like right now, I'd seriously be looking at water travel. I've already been from here to the Mississippi River that's a pretty easy run. Granted if the world were falling completely apart and all that jazz the lock gates wouldn't be working but I think it would be easy enough to portage around those (there are 4 between here and there.) Going downriver uses hardly any fuel as well. You could come here where I'm at duck man in N.W. Arkansas. You'd be comfortable here for as long as ya need.
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 3, 2013 6:26:40 GMT -7
Likewise Dennis. You would be pretty easy for me to reach carrying on with my river travel. I already have a travel route mapped out since that was going to be my next long boat trip.
I have already mapped out the route and feasability of traveling from either Beaverfork of Table Rock Lakes as a start point and traveling the White River all the way back down to the I-40 or Hwy-70 bridges. That same journey could just be made in reverse to reach your area. I would have one portage to make at Batesville but that one is very easy.
The other route that I have lined out is the Arkansas River from here in Little Rock taking it West or upriver all the way to thywar's place over in Oklahoma. I can get pretty close to his area by boat. If I needed to I could stop in Fort Smith and that would put me within a reasonable overland hike to your area.
My last boat trip was 14 days long and I had more than ample supplies to make due very comfortably. I was just goofing off too having never even heard of the term 'bugging out'. In that same amount of time with the supplies I carried I could have easily been down the to Gulf or all the way up anywhere along the upper Mississippi Valley or along the Ohio River or even the Tom Bigbee.
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Post by mud on Jan 3, 2013 7:00:48 GMT -7
The river runs just a few miles south of me so water travel would get you plenty close to me as well
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