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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 3, 2013 7:07:35 GMT -7
The river runs just a few miles south of me so water travel would get you plenty close to me as well For some reason I keep putting you in the Northwest corner? You're just West of Ft. Smith right? Heck, when I make my boat trip over there I may just have to pick you up on the way over to thywars empire!
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Post by missasip on Jan 3, 2013 8:32:51 GMT -7
What separates you from them is what you bring with you and what’s in your head. My question is what you would bring to enhance your odds of a successful bug-out. Obviously my gasoline is lacking for the distance I want to go, what else? Well, until you have one question answered and something done about it, the rest is moot. If you don't have the gas to do it, then why do it. IIRC, your wife has some health issues. So for her to travel, a vehicle is going to be required. Correct? That leaves you nothing to do but figure out how to have the fuel for the trip to begin with. As I said before I have been working on a small trailer for quite some time. It is a "disposable" trailer. I purchased it from Harbor Freight for $199. But they have gone up in price. www.harborfreight.com/1090-lb-capacity-40-1-2-half-inch-x-48-inch-mini-utility-trailer-with-12-inch-four-lug-wheels-and-tires-90153.htmlIt has the taller tires and a bit more capacity than the smallest one they carry. My plan is using it to get me down the road and leaving it behind once the fuel and supplies are used up. I can carry 100 gallons of fuel @600#. That leaves me a couple of hundred pounds capacity to load supplies that will be needed for the trip. It is a no frills trailer, but should be fine for what I plan for it. Plus I have minimum of $$ invested. My Nissan Frontier pickup has a 19 gallon tank, standard. I also have a 60 gallon marine tank fitted in the bed. That gives me approx. 3222 miles at 18 mpg. My truck normally gets about 22-24 mpg. I would need to make as much as 900 miles, to reach the only bug out location I would even consider. That gives me hopefully enough fuel if I need to make long “go-arounds”. A truck with a winch that can be transferred between the front and the back will be a plus. A heavy duty bumper/brush guard will also come in handy. 2 chainsaws. One small limbing type saw and a larger one for cutting tree trunks. Clearing trees from the road, IF they aren't being guarded, takes little time, if all you are doing is trying to get through. Been there done it, during Katrina. Remember your not clearing roads, just getting through. Your biggest issue will be crossing rivers. Bridges will be the choke point. I have made my run to my BOL about 8 or 9 times through the years and I have about 6 different routes. Only thing common is bridge crossing. That could be a deal breaker. Of course, my main plan is to stay put. But I have been trying to plan for Plan B if needed. And keep costs down as much as I can. I have maybe $400 invested for bugging out, not including fuel. That is the best I can do. 2 ½ cents worth. Jimmy
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Post by orly152 on Jan 3, 2013 9:36:14 GMT -7
So no one else is in this situation? I'm in a similar situation as well. I'm planning to bug out to my sister's house just outside Houston from South Florida. By car I'm looking at about 1226 miles for a total of an 18 hour drive. I actually puchased 3 14 gallon gas containers that I will be hauling to get me to my destination. Yes, I will be taking some supplies inside the car. I think the main key of making it to our destination with minimum problems is getting ahead of the game and not waiting until the last minute.
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Post by USCGME2 on Jan 3, 2013 10:35:48 GMT -7
Ahhh shuks ;D Dink and WTRFWLR, that's the best thing ever! Hugs and fist bumps all the way around! If yall need to come south, gotcha backs and some shrimp etoufee' for your hungry bellys.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 10:43:13 GMT -7
I'm in a similar situation as well. I'm planning to bug out to my sister's house just outside Houston from South Florida. By car I'm looking at about 1226 miles for a total of an 18 hour drive. I actually puchased 3 14 gallon gas containers that I will be hauling to get me to my destination. Yes, I will be taking some supplies inside the car. I think the main key of making it to our destination with minimum problems is getting ahead of the game and not waiting until the last minute.When I lived in Morro Bay, California, I worked hard to have a viable plan. I know every back road/dirt trail/mountain path - but none that would work in a bad situation. I just couldn't see us getting out of there in a wide area panic scenario. Being in between LA and San Francisco means that there are 30 million people within the range of one tank of gas ..................... That single tank of gas range is why a second tank installed and even a third tank in the bed of the truck would come in handy. Keeping in mind that when a person gets out of that 1 tank range for where they live, there are going to be more cities and more 1 tank range areas. A person needs to be sure they can get beyond ALL the 1 tank panic ranges and get to their destination ASAP. If a person is going to plan on traveling via vehicle, then they need to plan going the distance, and should something happen like he said, where you must switch vehicles, then maybe a person should also consider a few cans of fuel to carry along as well...just in case. If SHTF, there is going to be a use for every drop you carry. As I pointed out, as well as several others, waterways will be a major issue. Thus, figuring out alternate routes with crossings will be a must.
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Post by USCGME2 on Jan 3, 2013 10:56:27 GMT -7
WILL, I was looking last year at gas tanks for the bed of my truck. For gas, a pickup bed tank is big $$$$ b/c of DOT regs. If you have a diesel, bed tanks are a lot more cheaper and there are alot more available.
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 3, 2013 11:06:31 GMT -7
An extra fuel tank can be had for many models of trucks. Some calls to salvage yards you can match up the whole deal to retrofit a truck and get the whole factory setup. This way there is no loss of bed space.
Not my thoughts or opinions just throwing out an idea of a way cheaply and safely increase fuel capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 11:39:36 GMT -7
An extra fuel tank can be had for many models of trucks. Some calls to salvage yards you can match up the whole deal to retrofit a truck and get the whole factory setup. This way there is no loss of bed space. Not my thoughts or opinions just throwing out an idea of a way cheaply and safely increase fuel capacity. This is what I was referring to for getting the second tank. Stevens Ford has duel tanks. He had the second tank put on and an additional tank in the bed has a line run down so he actually has 3 tanks on the single truck. Proves very helpful during hay season.
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 3, 2013 12:38:16 GMT -7
An extra fuel tank can be had for many models of trucks. Some calls to salvage yards you can match up the whole deal to retrofit a truck and get the whole factory setup. This way there is no loss of bed space. Not my thoughts or opinions just throwing out an idea of a way cheaply and safely increase fuel capacity. This is what I was referring to for getting the second tank. Stevens Ford has duel tanks. He had the second tank put on and an additional tank in the bed has a line run down so he actually has 3 tanks on the single truck. Proves very helpful during hay season. My apologies Dink! I did read this in your post on Tuesday evening and I just flat out forgot what I had read. My memory and retention of almost anything anymore has just really gone downhill over the last 48+ years or so. Sorry about that I'll try to pay better attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 13:58:41 GMT -7
No problem sweets! I was glad to see you were on the same thought procession as me! ;D GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!! ;D
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Post by Dennis on Jan 3, 2013 16:02:20 GMT -7
River travel would be good I think.
The White River could be a problem in Northern Arkansas because of the drought. Beaver, Table Rock, North Fork are all lower. The White River here only a few miles from my house is almost dry.
They are predicting a rainy season this March and April which would help with the low water levels so we shall see.
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Post by wtrfwlr on Jan 3, 2013 16:13:44 GMT -7
River travel would be good I think. The White River could be a problem in Northern Arkansas because of the drought. Beaver, Table Rock, North Fork are all lower. The White River here only a few miles from my house is almost dry. They are predicting a rainy season this March and April which would help with the low water levels so we shall see. . Yes. Anything above the lakes mentioned are out of the question for sure. At anytime in my boat I might add.
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Post by WILL on Jan 3, 2013 16:25:50 GMT -7
I'm going to go room by room and put together a list right now. We have the stuff we need, but not a check list. I don't want to forget something important because we weren't organized. I don't have a trailer, so everything would have to fit in my truck bed, including my dogs. Hope it all fits.
Just off the top of my head, important items would be our valuables box, guns and ammo, body armor, food buckets and canned food, canning goods, seed, cast iron cookware, gas cans, receiver mounted wench, bicycles, bug out bags, generator, power inverter, hand tools, an oil pan to collect gas from punched fuel tanks, a siphon hose and funnel, timbering tools, etc.
I expect we would need double the amount of fuel the trip would normally take due traffic, closed roads or other issues forcing backtracking, 4X4 use, etc. I would like to get a truck battery powered fuel transfer pump to access fuel from powerless gas stations. I would probably need more than one since the second everyone sees you have a way to access the fuel, you won't be just leaving with that tool. Best to leave it with the crowd and have a spare to see your trip through.
While a fuel efficient car may be good for normal travel, I expect a 4X4 would prove invaluable in a disaster situation. I expect stalled and abandon cars would undoubtedly choke the highways in some areas. The ability to climb the curb and traverse a soggy or snow filled ditch would see you past alot of traffic jams that trap others.
At some point, it's possible there may be jam up at a bridge or other choke point. A hand or vehicle mounted wench would be very handy to assist in clearing the way. I prefer my hitch mounted variety for the same reason I like gas cans instead of an extra dedicated tank, it can easily be moved to another vehicle.
I’m also thinking that back roads may actually be just as, if not more dangerous that more heavily traveled areas because there would be very little ROL there. A predator would have his potential victims isolated from any help. If I were looking to victimize someone, I would want to do it in an area where there was no interference, I could take my time picking through my spoils and I could easily escape undetected…AKA the middle of nowhere. Who knows. Anyhow, back to my list.
PS, My wife isn't in a wheel chair. She can't walk much more than 2 miles or bike more than 5 in a strait shot, but she gets around. I figure she could make 3-4 walking and 10 a day bicycling. She can't do heat. Reality is if it's leave or die, we're leaving. I'll tie a rope to my bike and pull hers if necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 16:46:44 GMT -7
If you are thinking go north where you will have to deal with snow, clay mud and other nasty road/ditch conditions...you might want to throw in a set of snow/ice chains. 4x4 is good, but even they need chains once in a while. Don't forget a couple of GOOD spares, 1 stored underneath and maybe an extra in the bed under everything. If it gets bad, chances are the roads will be littered with all kinds of stuff that will flatten tires. Even a couple cans of fix a flat and a plug repair kit could come in handy...also take along a battery powered air compressor and a couple of extra valve stems, there are times in icy weather and such that they can be ripped at the base. This way you can do a quick fix and air up and move on. This can be done with a pair of pry bars and a good hammer.
Some JB weld for holes in oil pans, etc, and maybe a bottle of radiator stop leak, along with extra belts, fluids and hand tools needed to do quick vehicle repairs.
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Post by orly152 on Jan 3, 2013 17:02:05 GMT -7
How about just getting an 18 wheeler and hauling around a Walmart trailor with all the supplies needed lol
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